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Another reason to oppose term extensions and the suspension of elections come 2010.

This kind of politicians must certainly be stopped.

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nakakapanginig ng laman ang mga animal at anung ginagawa nila sa Manila?

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some Filipino politicians make me sick. i just can’t fathom the pain and horror the family is experiencing right now.

Thanks for including my entry Noemi, I hate to say this but things like this help build up a bad image for Mindanao and its people.

May the truth come out thru the help of the bloggers and may justice be served.

I also pray for everybody to have an open mind and may all be healed with what ever pain it is they keep in their hearts.

God Bless and Happy Holidays!

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This is terrible! Im out of the country and learned about this on your face book status.

Whatever the story is, whatever versions there are, there is no justification for beating up people.. and a child! There is no excuse for such brutality.

No one has the right, not even a public official to take matters into his own hands. In fact, a public official should be the first to maintain peace and order.

Public office is a public trust. And the public officials involved here should make themselves available for investigation.

okay, we’re all angry. and rightly so, of course.

now, what will the administration do?

call me jaded, noemi, but i’m guessing that there won’t be much done. perhaps a token reaction, but no more, especially since the queen of the enchanted kingdom needs all her allies.

di katanggap tanggap yung sagot nung pulitkong yan, sila pa daw hinamon ng suntukan. wow ha. same political bullshit that we see in the movies.

same political bullshit. they should be hung by a tree.

tell these cowards to come to iloilo, visit us in our golf course and do the same shit they did to the poor dela Paz golfers..i will make a promise to the asshole “mayor kuno” that he will never forget me after i rearrange his face…matapang lang mga yan kasi may bodyguards..”Mayor” Pangandaman, suntukan tayo kahit umpisahan natin sa umaga hanggang kelan mo gusto…wag yung 14 y.o. na di kayang lumaban sayo… sorry for the language, but i firmly believe these people, or rather “animals” don’t deserve to live…

Kahit dito sa Iligan City, Lanao del Norte.. o di kaya sa Cagayan de Oro….taena nyang Pangandaman na yan subukan nya dito sya magsisiga siga para malaman natin kung gaano sya talaga katapang kahit magdala sya ng sankatutak na bodyguard. Dyan lang yan matapang sa Manila dahil walang papalag sa kanya. Dito sya sa ibang province ng Mindanao lalo na sa Christian na lugar magpakita ng katapangan kahit sinong mayor pa yan. Hoy mayor mag-ingat ingat ka sa mga byahe mo dito sa Mindanao tatandaan ka namin!

Thanks for sharing this. I will write a post about this on my blog.

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a video footage of even part of the incident could come in really handy as evidence. Para sa kulungan nila subukan tapang nila. Dun palag kung palag ang totoong siga. Heartless sonsawitches deserve no mercy. I wonder, how can they even sleep peacefully when they know for themselves the truth of what they have done. And if they can sleep peacefully despite all this, what kind of creatures are they? Creatures not fit for public office, that’s what.

Thanks for the info and for spreading the news. What happened was really deplorable and should be condemned. I blog about what happened in my blog. Here’s the link: http://politekon.blogspot.com/2008/12/mauling-mayor-from-lanao-del-sur.html

PolitEkon

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OMG. What kind of people are they? How could these public officials do such a thing and yet they call themselves ” honorable” I think it’s high time we put this kind of people to jail. In addition i think golfers should not come and play in this golf course anymore because it’s unsafe. They could not even protect their members and guest. In addition why do they allow people to play their with guns and weapons in the golf course.

Gene

politicians going on a power trip so they can cover up for their small bolls

theyre one of teh biggest c^nts in this country
epic fail thumbsdown

i hate this country w/ these kind of people running it
and im sure people didnt vote for them too

the golfcourse should be liable too
i mean come on its obvious theyre protecting their biggest assets them dumba55 politicians yuck

Instead of setting up a good example as a leader and public servant, yang mayayabang na politicians dapat ay isuspende, kasuhan, at tanggalin sa puwesto. Aba eh dapat lang i blog eto ng taong bayan, kung di kayang hakbangan ng pamahalaan…concerned pinoy

TARANTADONG MGA MOROS NA YAN AH!

MGA BAKLANG MOKLO ANG MGA BABOY! PATI BATA PINATULAN, AYAW LUMABAN NG PATAS ANG MGA HINAYUPAK!

Hi Noems, I’m listing everything that I could find also at filipinolinks.com … shameful talaga.

On a more personal note, Happy New Year! Just talked to Lorns yesterday and will hook up with her and Eric sometime next week.

I thought these people swore to help the Filipino people. I suppose we are wrong. These power hungry people doesn’t care about Filipinos. The barely “respect” anyone as evidenced by their behavior. So what if they don’t know of him? Do they seriously expect every filipino to know the names of everyone in gov’t. Absolutely foolist – but then again – He is famous now…just not because he is a true sportsman, a gentleman, respectful, with integrity and honor but one that is most repulsive to the human race.

and these MUKLOs wonder why they are being discriminated against? fuck them, they better confine themselves in their rotten serfdoms and maul their sorry subjects all they want.

remember, you can take a MUKLO out of his bullshit environment, but you cannot take the bullshit out OUT the MUKLO!

exterminate them!

What the mayor did cannot be condoned. It’s terrible that he would flaunt his power like that. Nakakahiya at ang kapal ng mukha.

Still, a part of me thinks the father and son are not without sin. Perhaps they were a little too arrogant in their reaction to the people cutting in their flight. Maybe they were mayabang and like stupid macho pinoys, the mayor and his bodyguards were ‘nalalaki’ and reacted stupidly as they did.

The victims maybe are golf going rich people who think they are above everyone else. Unfortunately, the Mayor thinks the same as they.

Those f*ckers are m*slim, right?

Proudlyfilipina.com not too proud after all. Take a look their header, seems most of the faces are Thai and not Filipinas. tsk tsk.

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-856668-five-pretty-young-women-in-white-holding-a-large-blank-sign.html

hay naku…
even if the dela pazes started the fight or irk them to fight (kahit pa ba mayabang din sila eh), the pangandaman group still had to think rationally and just stayed away from the fight. It still not reason enough to lash out on them. My golly! You’re politicians! You must have been educated and yet, you eventually entered into the fight. And, even if the dela pazes throwed out the punch, where’s your evidence? Hitsura pa lang nung nangyari dun sa bata, halatang-halata na sila ang nabugbog. You’ve just proven that you’re stupid politicians. Para kayong mga bata na papatol dahil lang sa naungusan kayo ng iba. Enjoy having fun and being gods while you’re at your seats because in the next life, you’ll surely rot in hell. Ha! If something will happen again to the dela paz family, we’ll know who’s the criminal! Nakakahiya kayo! Let’s see if the government can really prove there’s justice in country.

sana wag magkaroon ng whitewash o cover-up dito…

dapat lumabas ang katotohanan para mapatunayan natin na may pag-asa pa ang Pilipinas

Roys last blog post..Another case of abusive government officials

Pls. Do read this and find out who is the member of the Philippines Dream Team of Negotiators : Int’l Muslim leaders to hold meet in RP
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation

Here’s the latest news from Gma7 – DAR chief apologizes for son’s involvement in Antipolo brawl

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/141550/DAR-chief-apologizes-for-sons-involvement-in-Antipolo-brawl

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My advice to all golfers : If you see this ” Pangandamans” in any golf course, leave the place immediately unless you’re looking for trouble. Also if you want to be a member of any golf course club check first if the “Pangandaman” are members and if they are better withdraw your application. Likewise my advice to all golf clubs dont accept this PANGANDAMAN as members otherwise shares will surely drop in value.

To the PAGANDAMAN, my advice you’re a shame to the sports of golf. Please leave this sports and just play other sports with your fellow moros, better still “don’t leave home” so others may feel safe. Lastly pls. resign, for God’s sake !

Let’s email to the board of the Valley Golf and Country Club to cooperate with the police (see. http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/metro/view/20081229-180482/Cops-frustrated-over-golf-clubs-silence ) and shed light on the issue (and asked them why the didn’t help the Dela Pazes).

Their website: http://www.valleygolf.com.ph/
Their email: info@valleygolf.com.ph
The distinguished board members: http://www.valleygolf.com.ph/temp/board.asp

Complete address:
Don Celso S. Tuason Avenue Antipolo City 1870
Mailing Adddres: P.O. Box 202 Q. Plaza, Cainta, Rizal
Trunk Lines: 6584901 to 03
Fascimile Nos. : 6584918 to 19
Email: info@valleygolf.com.ph

politicians should act as role models not goons O.o hay

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Let our friends and people in the world know that management of “Valley Golf and Country Club” will not help them when trouble happened on their property.

After the Dela Pazes had aired out in news blitzkrieg their side of the story, the Pangandamans have come out with a knee-jerk rejoinder on the issue — claiming it was the senior Dela Paz or the daughter who started the melee by hitting one of the Pangandamans with a golf umbrella… Anyone with a common sense wouldn’t dare do such provocation against a person, much less a group of male (factors), surrounded by an omnipresent, intimidating cordon of pea-sized-brain and fully-armed bodyguards — whose purpose is to rabidly, blindly serve their handlers who feed them, and to do so regardless of consequences and at all costs since they anyway shall be covered with the extended mantle of impunity. That’s how it operates here in this Banana Republic. The people involved in the fracas are neither idiots nor weaklings, regardless of how they overnight image themselves as the victims. Stop playing possum, all of you – media practitioners and bloggers included. They are no strangers to pelf, power and influence either not to immediately distinguish their own kind. The filthy rich jealously, immediately dislike in their conceited viewpoint of exclusive, monopolized self-importance their own kind. Self-love breeds contempt against all others. I also have second thoughts entertaining the side-track comments of the Pangandamans that the Dela Pazes “acted as though they owned the territory (Valley Golf).” The bone of contention was but a “few minutes of ownership” of “privilege playing rights” of Hole Number Three at the time of the dispute — where the Dela Pazes contend that it was theirs in physical possession of at the time; while the Pangandamans insisted it was theirs in the first place as they were merely lagging behind a group that was already playing holes far in advance. Both parties argued for preference and priority — with or without advertence to Golf Manual 101. That was the deal breaker that broke the spirit of the Holidays. “Love of self, amor propio, ako muna bago kayo.” Can’t and don’t blame anyone — people who do so get crucified for doing right. Flashbacks of the Rolito Go parking slot shooting and that of the similar Loyola Cemetery parking fight episode. What I am certain of is that somebody burst a short fuse, and one act of intemperance and inconsideration paved the way for more violence and arrogance. The circus is now in town. The parties involved were supposed to play the gentleman’s game of golf — but, like overgrown brats as they all are really, did some other silly, childish thing that has found them now in the limelight of exchanging brickbats in full view of the nation. Regardless against the backdrop of what is supposed to be the Happy Holidays. I leave you to elevate your love of self in full view of the amused public. We can use some pointers for life. Be that as it may, lessons shall be learned the hard and painful way for all parties concerned. Good luck on this episode where only the devil gets to win! – JVC

Hi Noemi,

Saw this a few days back.. it haunted me.. i guess the right thing to do is try to get the message across..

Mayor Nasser Pangandaman, SHAME ON YOU..
http://www.iligan.ph/?p=232

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I myself do not blog about current events, but this episode sure warrants such reaction.

Whatever “true” scenario is, the Pangandamans would be at fault. And I agree with Jonathan Castaneda’s comment, who in the right mind would start a fight with a group of men especially when he is with his family? The reaction of the officials being “public servants” are uncalled for, I guess that is how they resolve conflicts in their area… by brute force.

By the way, did they disburse the people’s funds for their vacation?

Philippine Daily Inquirer is MINIMIZING DAMAGE for the sick-Sec by calling it a “Brawl” instead of the truthful “Maul.”

According to the article someone in Pangandaman’s group was hit with “an umbrella.” Then the sick-Sec let his goons at the businessman and his family. HOW CAN THAT BE A “BRAWL?”

Inquirer is doing a cheap cleansing job.
SPREAD THE WORD!

My modest proposal: http://villageidiotsavant.blogspot.com/2008/12/modest-proposal-for-fitting-punishment.html

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let’s just hope that the media won’t be part of the cover-up in this incident.

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sana mabawasan ang mayayabang sa mundo.

the idiotic excuse by the pangandamans is expected as well as their cowardly and barbaric behaviour. as a mindanaon, i assure you that i am telling the truth based on actual events involving these people.

but i would like to point out that the cowardice and stupidity of the shown by the valley golf management and staff should be noted and that at each opportunity, everyone in this organization should be reminded about how disgraceful their organization is. 20 years or more from now, this valley golf legacy should be retold. objective? just to tell people not to be stupid and coward because it sticks.

this goes as well to the local police. if this happened in a civilized country, the place would be swarming with police and the maulers apprehended right away. but i guess antipolo has a pitiful police force (or forceless) or we are not just as civilized as we think we are.

also, some in the media could not get the difference between a brawl and a mauling. if a bunch of goons beat up a father with two small children, it is called a mauling.

to the de la pazes – you will overcome.

Really exclusive neighborhoods in Cagayan de oro refuse to sell to the muklos and they have good reasons. We in Mindanao know the muklos and this is a good example of what would happen if you welcome them to your community.

Lets be nice to them but keep them out. This is not an isolated case. We in Mindanao know that this is a general trend. The truth hurts sometimes.

Putangina so fucking Gradeschool. Kaya hindi tayo umuunlad eh.

If that asshole of a mayor could do this atrocity to a fellow country club member who is of a comfortable social status, I can only imagine what kind of horror he puts less fortunate people in his province through. What the hell are the bodyguards doing there with guns in the premises??? And those security staff should be FIRED!

Not to be religiously biased here, but WHAT IS IT WITH THESE MUSLIM POLITICIANS AND THEIR FONDNESS FOR BARBARISM??

Dapat sa mga tarantadong politician na yan, ipa-liquidate sa mga vigilates. Kahit sa regional at provincial level ng DAR, ganyan din kayayabang at arogante mga “EMPLEYADO” nila. Take note mga taga DAR: EMPLEYADO kayo ng bayan! nandyan kayo upang MANILBIHAN at PROTECTAHAN ang taong bayan. May araw din kayo! Dapat lang na ibasura na yang Agrarian reform na yan, ang kailangan ng mga polotiko na tulad nito ay “MORAL REFORM”.

Mayor, kung talagang matapang at siga ka, humarap ka ngayon sa media at ipagtanggol mo ang sarili mo. BAKLANG KA MAYOR! este, HERMANA MAYOR! humihiram ka lang ng tapang mo sa baril at sa mga gagong bodyguards mo. DUWAG! wala kang breeding. Dapat sayo, ipulutan na! nang di ka makahawa ng rabies!

in this incident, the dela Pazes were first given attention by the media and add that to the fact the natural tendency of many filipinos (including me) to hold prejudice against moros, my first reaction is anger at the pangandaman.

and i am still angry at them up to this moment. secretary and mayor pangandaman should have known better and should have acted with prudence no matter and however they were provoked. they are no ordinary citizens but persons vested with responsibility by the people.

however, i now tend to give credence to the story of the pangandamans after my friend who happens to be a member of valley golf related his brush with the dela Pazes. and so the story goes this way:

shortly before christmas, he was practicing his putting in one of the three putting greens in vally golf. in the other putting green is bambee de la Paz also practicing putting. mind you, this family of dela pazes are terrific golf players! all of a sudden, bambee, together with her mother fanning herself like crazy, joined my friend in his putting green, stroking the house balls here and there, oblivious to the presence of my friend. golf etiquette 101: this is not beig courteous. the same issue they used against the pangandamans. fortunately my friend is no pangandaman and so the scandal happend days later and not involved my friend. after around 30 minutes of pure arrogance and “i am a champion and who are you” attitude from bambee, she and her mother left my friend in the practice green with the 12 house balls strewn all around. etiquette 101 again: this is, again, not being couteous. the ball holders clearly bore the sign “replace after use.”

after i heard this story of my friend, he and i thought, well, the arrogant dela Pazes met their match in the equally arrogant pangandamans.

now, we are angry at all of them for bringing their lies to the public and wasting our time!

The Pangandaman’s just became golf fanatics after Nasser Pangandaman Sr. became Agrarian Reform Secretary.

Is DAR and Golf Courses related to one another ? Absolutely Yes, GOLF COURSES needs the approval of the Department of Agrarian Reform (DAR) Secretary whenever they apply for Land Conversion from Agricultural use to Commercial or Mixed Use. A golf course needs to be converted from agricultural to commercial or mixed use, or else they will violate the Agrarian Reform Law.

Only DAR Secretary approves Land Conversion and my source from DAR grapevine, conversion application at DAR is truly bloody.

Bloody in what sense? these DAR officials demand bribe of ?$? per square meter before a conversion application is approved or they demand exclusive shares and club memebership rights from these golf courses.

Just an example, if one is applying for Land Conversion of a 50-hectare land Golf Course, then an applicant will probably shell out around Php 1,000,000 million pesos, a bribe money @ 2 pesos per square meter, this is the lowest and could go higher as mush as 5 pesos per square meter.

What a lucrative business of DAR executives, and their bag man, their own Provincial Agrarian Reform Officers (PARO) in the City and Priovincial levels.

No doubt that DAR Secretary Nasser Pangandaman is frequenting Exclusive Golf Courses.

I am not saying that he is corrupt and demanding bribe from Golf Course Companies seeking Land Conversions. He may have been a Golf fanatic upon stepping at the doors of DAR, and most likely have purchased Club Membership at a generous price from generous Land Conversion Applicants.

Golf is a game of the rich and famous, no doubt for Dela Paz family as they have known business (fishpond) to support their golfing hobbies.

What about the Pangandamans ? unless they prove to the Filipino people that they have legitimate businesses, then I would believe that they have the right to play Golf.

Ombudsman Mereditas Gutierez, please take a look at the Statement of Assests, Liabilities and Net Worth (SALN) of Nasser Sr. and Jr., they should prove that their means of livelihood could support their golfing hobby.

I could not imagine a high ranking government official involved in a Brawling Incident and the fight is 6 (Pangandamans) versus 2 (Dela Paz), what a shame…..is this a government ruled by men and not by Law ?

Incidents such as these are the very reason I wouldn’t consider living there (as a foreigner). I wouldn’t want to live a life walking on eggshells with fear of offending “someone with power”. No one should be above the law.

I would realy admire DAR Secretary Nasser Pangandaman Sr. if he RESIGNS out of shame.

Save the Honor of our Muslim brothers, RESIGN NOW

Dela Paz family have now been receiving according to Phil Star tsk tsk tsk

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This Pangandaman guy should be ashamed of himself… Mayor? He only gives a bad name for his city. For sure people from his city are ashamed of him….

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i,ve seen the news and its not surprising…with my type of work i get a lot of chance to mingle and deal with so called muslim politicians …although there are still very few of them who are good,most of them acts as if they own the world and would yell at you anytime they want to.They cant understand explanations,they insist that they are always on the right side.
i dont think he will resign…he is shameless!!!

Honestly when I heard of this news it’s not new to me that government officials would use their influence and power to hit / beat up ordinary people and get away with it. This is a classic case of David and Goliath story but sometimes it doesn’t end like the fairytale we knew….Bottomline is that we all have to look into these things realistically that these politicians / government officials always have the last laugh. They pretty much get away with everything and anything but something to take away from all the this is not to mess with them or provoke them or give reasons why they should beat you up because in the first place… they are for one egoistically and improperly bred individuals, cowards that hides under their mother’s underpants (Call on PGMA to save their asses) when things like these happens and lastly stupid stupid stupid.

In the end when judgement day comes I just wish that all the things you’ve done when you were still alive won’t haunt you in the 2nd life because I don’t think you can still call on your so called GOD (Money, Power and PGMA) to save your sorry ass!

before anything else wag kau mag coment ng kung ano ano masamang bagay kac una hndi nyo alam ang nangyari. kamag anak ko ang mga pangandaman hndi sila ang nanguna imagine nag gogolf cla tapos my set game di ba then after sila ang naka next tapos akala nung de la paz family eh sinisingitan sila kahit hndi naman then nagalit itong si mr. de la paz at pinag sisigawan c mayor syempre dahil hndi nya un papansinin pero hndi pa nakuntento pinag mumura pa si mayor eh kung kau kea pag mumurahin sa harap ng maraming tao na wla naman ginagawang masama? at ang mahirap pa dun di pa sya nakuntento hinampas pa nya si mayor xempre as a person pag hinampas ka ano gagawin mo? iiyak? kea wlang my kasalanan dOn sana hndi nlng nya pinag mumura at hinampas pa.. kung kau kau kea pag mumurahin at sigawan sa harap ng ibang tao at hampasin? kalokohan na kung hndi nyo ipag tatanggol sarili nyo? right? ang gusto q lng ipabatid eh “wlang mananakit kung wlang nanakit” and hndi sila ang nanguna..

mababait na tao ang mga Pangandaman Family..
kea sna wag kau agad mag husga kac hndi nyo naman alam ang tunay na nanyari… kung hnd naman sila sinaktan eh di rin naman cla mag rereact db?

malalaman yan pag nag imbestiga na..

“WALANG MANANAKIT KUNG WLANG NANAKIT”

thEy just dEfend their self for such an arrogant act of dE la paz Family
in the gOlf Course.

or if you all want go to the Valley Golf Course Club for more and true
information.

This is abuse of power plain and simple.

The facts:
A 56 year old man.
A 14 year old boy
An 18 year old girl

arrayed against

Two Mindanao mayors,
A Cabinet Secretary
Numerous armed bodyguards.

Hard to believe a precocious 18 year old girl would start a fight by hitting the second group with an umbrella.

If valley golf whitewashes this case, the shareholders should boycott.

On the assumption that secretary pangandaman has done a lot of good things at the DAR and helped farmers, lets give him due credit for that.

However, all good deeds can easily be erased by one shameless action, or in this case, inaction.

Its often been repeated that golf is a gentleman’s game and thus, one should be guided by proper decorum. It was shocking to hear that such an incident could have happened at the golf course. If your children and the neanderthals claiming to be bodyguards cant act properly, they had no business to be there in the first place.

If its true that secretary pangandaman didnt lift a finger to rein in his brood and their canines, that just makes the incident even more disgusting….was this another case of power tripping?

sadly, an incident like this doesnt help government in terms of creating good public relations……..hopefully your children have learned from this experience and own up to their mistake and not think that people will simply forget this, lalo na when the 2010 elections come around.

now, the official security incident report is now out! find it at http://midfield.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/valley-golf-guards-report-pangandaman-security-men-drew-guns-on-dela-pazes/

and guess what: take a look at lines 5, 6, and 7 and let me quote (with all the typo errors):

“but based to the statement of VGCCI marshall/ starter (mr elmer saguisa) at that time he talk already both parties but sudenly he was not expected that argument was not settled.”

aray! now, where did this detail first appear in the blogsphere?

answer: from the post of brianna asal above, posted on the 29th of december or 3 days after the incident and i cut and paste:

paragraph 3, lines 7 and 8: With the said explanation, del Paz replied “Okey, kortesiya lang.”

paragraph 6, lines 5 to 7: “Nasser Jr. reiterated to the marshall what he explained to the elder dela Paz, which his knowledge the former already accepted his explanation.”

paragraph 8, lines 3 and 4: ” “Akala ko po, Sir, nagkaintindihan na ho tayo kanina”.

another answer: from the post of p that only appeared yesterday, or 1 week after the incident: and i cut and paste again:

paragraph 6, line 14 and 15: Thinking that things had been cleared up, Mr. dela Paz said, “Okay, kortesiya lang” (”Okay, just seeking courtesy“) .

paragraph 8, line 8 to 12: During their break, the marshal approached Nasser Jr, stating that the dela Paz’s were complaining that there were five of them in their group and why they overtook the dela Paz flight. Nasser Jr. reiterated to the marshal what he had already explained to the elder del Paz, to which his knowledge the former had already accepted his explanation.

aray again. now why are these very telling details not in bambee’s blog? it is now clear as daylight that before the fisticuffs started, even the mashalls thought that the overtaking issue was already settled! ask mashall mr elmer saguisa!

aray! aray! aray!

ps:

and thanks to manuel quezon iii for marking my posts as spam and deleting them even before it is moderated. now, your pseudo-personality (leytenian) is commenting on my posts even if i cannot find it in the enties above! hahaha

noemi,

just can’t accept the fact that the de la pazes lied and that the accounts of the pangandamans are most probably more accurate?

how many more lies are there in bambee’s story?

@Mr.JNP
its okay to defend yourself pero hwag naman OVERKILL! Lumaban ng patas! Ilan ba ang Pangandaman at ilan ang Dela Paz na involve sa pangyayari? PATAS ba? Kelangan ba maglabasan ng baril? Okay lang sana kung may baril ang DelaPaz or in danger ang life ng mga Pangandaman…eh hindi eh di ba? Payong lang karga nila sus ko po!

Ano ang nangyari sa Pangandaman nasaktan ba sila duguan ba sila? Ang DelaPaz ano itsura ng mga mukha nila? Ilan ang mga tumulong sa Pangandaman? Ang DelaPaz ilan ang malalaki sa kanila? May laban ba yung 14 yr old at yung babae? Yan ang sinasabi kong OVERKILL, bai!

At wag mo sabihin mababait ang Pangandaman, bai! Taga-mindanao pud ko…..at kilala ko rin sila. In fact kilala ko si Hussein at naging kaibigan ko rin yan…pero hindi lahat ng kaibigan ko mababait May mga instances na na-witness ko ang paging arrogant at warfreak nyan palibhasa kargado palagi ayaw ko lang ikwento dito kse off-topic na. Though parehas kami may karga nyan sa mga lakad namin noon pero at least ako alam kung kung ano tama at ano mali.

putang inang mga gov officials na yan mamatay na kyo lahat. kami puro gutom kyo pa golf golf pa. pota kayo ginagamit nyo lang ang tax namin. mauso na sana ang suicide bomber dito sa pinas para mapatay na kayo

what do you expect from a politician like the pangandamans they are as good as the abu sayyaf people

yan ang epekto ng kakapanood ng laban ni pacquiao! seryoso, sana un may mga kapangyarihan ang namamagitan at hindi sila ang bumabanat sa kawawang nilalang. justice for de la paz family

yeah motherfucker jerick is right…kick those pangandamans ass out of service…

the anger is understandable. Let’s not start calling them names.

It all started when the De la Pazes’ flight caught up with the Pangandaman’s. I’m not a golfer but I suspect that what happened next was the inevitable consequence when golf bullies cross paths with bullies. That’s what happens when you sow the wind– you reap the whirlwind.

The Secretary’s “fault” is that he failed to prevent the incident. But there is no showing that he abeted such wrogdoing. That might make him a lousy father but not a corrupt public official.

D de la PAZ’s family should look at the mirror and talk to thereselves first . . . . . . . . i think it all started because D DELA PAZ were overtaken by the mayor and co. and the father is a hot tmpered person and didt wanted what happened and confronted the mayor….. this started it all….. maybe D father shouted at them ….. ayun naupakan tuloy kyo. nakahanap lang kyo ng katapat ….. sorry to say but i think both parties are at fault so just go on with your lives. buti nga hindi sila napatay eh. ok na yun, maiinit kse ulo nila dela paz eeeeeeeeeeh

matanda na kse si dela paz kaya mainit ang ulo. nakakita ka ng katapat mo hahahahahahahahaha

I urged each and everyone to cease condemning the Pandamangan. Let the justice system takes it course, however, we must put preassure on our justice system itself. Put even more preassure with the investigation, the senate, the police, even the congress. Let them know that no one should be above the law. The powerful must learn how to respect people of all class. They should learn how to respect the law.

I myself sympatized with the complainants but its their words against the other. It is now time to go all out war against the big people and its time to end the culture of “Palakasan system” We can only change that and make the difference. There is no turning back now by filling the neccesary charges at all cost but in the right venue which is the court of law.

Lets hear the argument in court. Gather all your evidence and your witnesses. Tell them the truth and nothing but the truth so help you God. We should of course must believe and should have faith in our justice system otherwise you are going to lose everything you are fighting for. Do not even accept any monitary damages in exchange of dropping the charges. Let them pay for what they’ve done if proven otherwise. God bless and good luck.

ganyan naman ang manga politiko sa atin matapang kasi malakas sila sa korte .ang sa akin lang nong makita ko sa tv dito sa taiwan sobrang awa ako sa de la paz family.at kung may kasalanan ang de la paz dapat yong ama na lang at nag bogbogan sana sila ng one on one ni pangandaman kaso mayabang ang pangandaman group.kasi nga may alalay ano nga naman ginagawa ng alalay di ano pa.sa hitsura lang ang yayabang pati si matandang pangandaman.yabang nyo palibhasa nasa gobrerno kayo.yabang.

This Mayor Pangandaman is a piece of bullshit.A public official who acted like he was an untouchable leader of some street goons operating on one of the very dangerous places in Manila.Hey.you are inside of a classy golf course in the Philippines.Matapang ka lang dahil may mga bodyguards ka at naka sandal ka sa walang nang hiya na Administration. An elected public official like you should have demonstrated good example by behaving professionally and not the other way around.

here is the ultimate aray for the de la pazes:

this is the post of a certain rge in pinoygolfer.com forum. he is a member since april 2007 with 595 posts to date (he is a pioneer member i supposed, as the forum started only in end of march 2007) he placed his address as valley golf, orchard, eagle ridge so i suppoed he is personally known to many others in the philippine golfing community and is a “somebody” given his access to information sources. his preliminary statement said it all.
http://www.pinoygolfer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5801&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=pangandaman&start=180

I just spent some time with the head of the fact-finding committee. He has submitted all pertinent facts to the board and leaves it to them to make the necessary decision based on all the facts. I will outline the facts to you as it was outlined to me. Rest assured that the facts were obtained from all parties involved and all witnesses at each incident site. The statements were obtained both by the valley fact-finding group and by the NBI as well. Testimonies were recorded, verified, and re-verified. Fortunately for the parties involved, there were always witnesses to give supporting statements on the events as they occurred.

i now wonder what is take of the de la pazes and their apologists on this?

for those who care to read, here is rge’s post (mabuhay si bill gates for the cut and paste technology!)

I just spent some time with the head of the fact-finding committee. He has submitted all pertinent facts to the board and leaves it to them to make the necessary decision based on all the facts. I will outline the facts to you as it was outlined to me. Rest assured that the facts were obtained from all parties involved and all witnesses at each incident site. The statements were obtained both by the valley fact-finding group and by the NBI as well. Testimonies were recorded, verified, and re-verified. Fortunately for the parties involved, there were always witnesses to give supporting statements on the events as they occurred.

I will compose the outline shortly as it will be lengthy but just to whet your appetite or get you thinking, you will be quite surprised with the findings. Let’s put it this way, the people we thought of as villains weren’t quite what they were depicted to be. and the supposed protagonists may have yet been quite as factual in their testimony as it turns out to be. Even our 14-year old isn’t as innocent and “prayerful” when all the details come out. just give me a few minutes….

In the interest of making sure that no facts might be left undisclosed, I will take it upon myself to start from the very beginning. Firstly let us start by saying that on or at about 12:40 p.m., the party of the Pangandaman’s registered at the starter’s area. They registered for 2 flights comprised of 4 individuals per flight. Unfortunately, they still had 2 members of their group that had not yet arrived, so they initially tee’d off as 2 successive threesomes. The starter and marshall were informed that the 2 individuals that had not yet arrived would just catch up with them in the fairway. On or at about 1:05 p.m. the Dela Paz group registered initially as a twosome but since this isn’t normally allowed, they registered as a 3-some even if the elder Mr. Dela Paz was not really going to play.

When the Dela Paz 3-some was playing on hole number 3, they were passed by 2 golf carts containing Mayor Pangandaman and his companion (in one cart) and the caddies being brought by one of the starter personnell. The Pangandaman’s did not ask permission to drive through because they did not want to disturb the Dela Paz’s who were in the middle of the fairway. Upon reaching the green of the 3rd hole, Mr. Dela Paz asked the caddie why the people in the cart just went through. Mayor Pangandaman who was already positioned at the 4th hole, personally informed Mr. Dela Paz that they were part of 2 foursomes. At this point, Mr. Dela Paz said “ah okay, courtesy lang naman”. This was verified by the caddies. Mr. Pangandaman said that he did not disturb them anymore because the player was about to hit. At this point, Mayor Pangandaman thought everything was okay so he proceeded to the 4th hole (Par 3) where his other flightmates were. In the records it says that Mr. Pangandaman was not yet even done pitching into the green when a ball landed near his 8-year old child so they immediately made sure the child was secured in the cart. ( For those unaware of the common practice at Valley Golf, on every par 3, the group behind you is signaled to hit into the green once everyone from your group is already on the green) Until you have been cleared to hit by the group ahead, you should not hit into the green. It is common sense and basic precautionary procedure.

In this particular case, we have no corroborative testimony. One set of caddies say they were given clearance, while the other say that no clearance was given as of yet when the ball/s had landed.

The Pangandaman’s claim that the same situation happened in the 5th hole (Par5). Even the caddied confirmed this. At this time, Bambee Dela Paz had called the Marshall to tell him that the flight behind them was complaining about why their pace was slow and that the cause of the delay was the 5-some in front of them. Shortly thereafter, a marshall on his motorcycle appeared and approached the Pangandaman’s and asked if they were playing as a fivesome to which the Mayor said no. “We are 2 foursomes”. Nonetheless, the Pangandaman’s had already agreed among themselves that they would rather the Dela Paz’s play through. The Mayor was even quoted saying to his Father. ” magagaling yung mga bata at malakas pumalo, baka mabagalan sa atin” They informed the marshall that they would just let the Dela Paz group play through and the marshall informed the Mr. Dela Paz of this. ( Just as an aside, the investigative group actually asked the group behind Dela paz if indeed they had complained about the slow down and the group said that the y said no such thing to the Dela paz flight. They were not even in contact at anytime before they arrived at the tee house to see the fight and eventually help stop it) When the Delapaz group reached the green of hole 5, the caddies of the 2 kids gave them their drivers so that they would waste no time playing through. The Mayor, who at that time was sitting along with their companions, stood up to personally tell Mr. Dela Paz to play through. Caddies, and the tee house server claim that the Mayor told Dela Paz na “Mauna na ho kayo” and walked to approach Dela Paz, The response of Dela Paz was “Huwag mo akong pagtaasan ng boses” Dela Paz began to question the Mayor why they were playing as a fivesome. The Mayor said that this was not the case but Dela Paz was insisting and even said (again corroborated by the caddies) “Linoloko mo ba ako?” “Member ka ba dito, Kilala mo ba ako?” (as you can see, this question did not come from Pangandaman. In fact, in the recorded testimony, this is exactly what Pangandaman claimed delapaz had said to him and yet in Delapaz’ recorded statement, he never said that the mayor asked him ” kilala mo ba ako” Completely different from when the media was already involved.

When Delapaz was posing the above question, the mayor was heard to say. “Sandali lang, hindi naman tayo nagaaway dito. Akala ko ba naayos na natin yung issue kanina sa hole 3? At about this point Delapaz closed his umbrella and then poked the mayor on his stomach using the pointed end ( some caddies say Dela Paz swung the umbrella and some say that he poked the Mayor) The investigative board asked Dela Paz what he did, he said that he poked the Mayor in self defense. When asked who was attacking him, Dela Paz said that he was being surrounded by 4 men. The caddies and other witnesses on hand said that when the umbrella incident happened, it was only Dela Paz and the mayor that were talking. The other parties were in the tee house about 15-20 yards away. The Mayor says he was poked and so he backed off and just as he was about to be poked again, his brother, Hussein ran and attacked Delapaz and hit Delapaz knocking him to the ground.( At this point the commotion took place. One of the things observed is 14-year old Bino hit the Mayor with his driver. Apparently, the mayor parried with his forearm and hand so this is where he sustaned the injury. In the process also, Hussein was being pulled off the older dela paz by his 2 children but again Bino was seen to hit Hussein in the face and head while Bambee had scratched the other side of Husseins face. At this time also, witnesses say, that 3 or 4 other members of the flight excluding the Secretary, the 8-year old boy, and the girlfriend of Hussein were involved in attacking or subduing the older dela paz but this lasted very shortly and when the combatants had been separated the existing people in the tee house as well as the new flight that was playing behind the dela paz’s.

At this point the Secretary told the delapaz group to leave so as to avoid any more trouble. As the elder delapaz was leaving he was heard calling someone on his cellphone saying ” may away kami, pumunta kayo dito”
No one knew who delapaz was speaking to as he walked away towards the main clubhouse. A few minutes later, the secretary and his group decided to end the day instead of continuing to play. When they got to the clubhouse, Hussein wanted to wash up because he was bleeding in the neck area. As he got near the reception area, he saw delapaz and was heard to have said “O, nandito pa pala kayo” to which Dela Paz said “Hindi pa tapos ito gaganti pa kami”. At this point, Bino got in between his Dad and Hussein while saying ” Tatandaan ka namin” (None of the witnesses in the clubhouse, and there were many, ever saw Bino kneel and say that he was only 14 years old at maawa na sila) On the contrary, Bino was acting like anything but a helpless child. He sounded tough, angry, and antagonistic enough that the fight broke out again. At this point, the bodyguards of the Mayor ran into the clubhouse via the poolside entrance. When questioned about this, the mayor said that one was his driver and the other was his “Yayo”. As far as the board was concerned, the “Yayo” was also a bodyguard. Said Yayo came into the clubhouse with a clutchbag containing a gun and brought out the gun without pointing it at anyone. The Mayor immediately instructed him that there was no need for guns and the gun was put back. During the investigation, the Mayor said that the handgun was his and that his “yayo” was likely going to give it to him but he declined. Upon instructing his “yayo”, the man just stayed in one corner. At this time the wife of Dela Paz and his other son arrived. The son was wielding a baseball bat and the wife had a knife which she pulled out of a scabbard. These two were subdued by security but they were verbally threatening the Pangandaman’s during this time. There was also a reported incident where the driver of the mayor ran out and came back with a suitcase containing a supposed armalite as claimed by valley security. The driver never pulled it out or pointed it at anyone but it was readily accesible

and here is what the site admin of pinoy golfer.com says about the post of rge:

“Great account of the incident, Ray. My compliments. I heard the same details third-hand from my sources. I agree with the others; Mr. de la Paz was foolish to pick a fight with his children present.

The revelation of these facts cast a severe shadow on the Bambee’s blog, don’t they?”

aray, aray, aray!!!

this is what I have expected all along…maanghang itong si dela paz e kaso mas maanghang pala itong si mayor… e paano natalo itong si dela paz kaya umangal …ay nako.. let them learn their lesson

that is what I have expected all along…maanghang itong si dela paz..e mas maanghang pala itong si mayor..e natalo si dela paz kaya angal nang angal…. ay naku …let them learn their lesson

ahekz… kung kau kea ang inunahan na hampasin ng payong di kau gaganti?? kabaklaan na un… it is not the position it is the dignity…

for example isang snake hnd ka inaano tpos hinampas mo ano gagawin ng ahas?? xempre gaganti kac hinampas mo?

tama lng un kac xa naman nanguna eh kung hndi nya hinampas si pangandaman eh sana wla sanang nangyaring gulo ang mahirap kac sa mayayaman eh sobra kung maka asta porke mayaman akala lahat ng tao kea kea lng nila atleast that arrogant de la paz encountered a perfect opponent that teach him a lesson. and whats that lesson??

“KUNG ANO ANG GINAWA MO SA KAPWA MO EH BABALIK SAU TIMES TWO”

hnd natin masisisi c pangandaman kac ikaw ba naman hampasin ng payong ng wlang ginagawa at pinag sisigawan at pinag mumura sa harap ng ibang tao???

akala nya kac pOrke mayaman xA eh kea nya na gnonin lhat ng tao..

“wag mong gawin sa kapwa mo ang ayaw mong gawin sau”

“at lahat ng tao pantay pantay”

di pOrke mayaman ka eh pde mo na sigawan at murahin ang kung sino sino
at hampasin itO..

“guyz kung sainyo kea ginawa ni de la paz un? ung sigawan ka tpos murahin ka sa harap ng ibang tao? tpos di pa nakuntento at hampasin ka pa ng wlang tamang dahilan?”

ano xa LORD???

atleast now naturuan xa ng leksyon
na hnd lahat kea daanin sa kapangyarihan ng “pEra”

Again
“WALANG MANANAKIT KUNG WLANAG NANAKIT”

” KARMA STRIKES TWO TIMES ”

ang aga ng kArma ky dE la pAz kakahmpas lng nya ng payong at kakasigaw at kakamura sa ibang tao ng WLANG GINAGAWA sakanya eh ayon nakaharap tuloy xa ng tAong di natatakot sakanya..

“kea kaung mga mayayaman wag kau umasta ng akala mo LORD
dahil hnd pOrket mayaman kau eh kea nyo na apiapihin ang ibang tao”

………..

As I’ve said on my previous comment, let the right people do their own investigation. I know from the get go, that there is something very fishy with the De La paz camp story and Mr. Pulis na Pogi explained it all. First of all, He is allegedly been beaten by the younger mayor and his bodyguards, and assuming he was beaten, would it be possibly for him even got a change to tell his side of the story? I guess not. He should be laying commatose in the hospital somewhere and fortunately that he is not because what i think possibly happened is just a simple fist fight between two high tempered individual and I am most certainly think that Mr De La Paz is the more agressive between the two.

I don’t know the mayor personally but i just think that some very influential people not only in the Philippines, still use some common sense to think before they react to any given circumstances unless somebody with an agenda to make money out of any situation push their button to do stupid thing otherwise.

What i saw in the news is a very upset Mr. Mr De La Paz who’s trying to condemn the Pandangaman by using the media. Again, we really don’t know the whole story, but i certainly hope that we can give the other party a change to depend themselves.

Interruption please…

Sa tuwing nanonood ako ng balita palagi na lang kasama ang issue na ito. Kelan kaya matatapos ang kaguluhan sa pagitan ng dalawang panig? Nasaan ang gobyerno para solusyunan ang bagay na ito. KILOS para sa mga dapat kumilos! Nasan ang hustisya? Palagi na lang ba ang media ang gagawa ng paraan para isiwalat ang katotohanan, KILOS GOBYERNO! Para sa media siguraduhin niyo lang na TOTOO ang ibabalita niyo para sa taong-bayan.

Basta ako, GALIT ako sa mga taong nananakit lalo na kapag pisikal. Kaya sa mga nagsasabi diyan na hindi raw sila nananakit, HOY! MAGPAKATOTOO KAYO! Kasuhan ang nagkasala at ikulong sa bilangguan. Kaya PANGANDAMAN magpakatotoo kayo dahil saan man kayo magpunta MAY NAKATINGIN SA INYO!

i am sincerely touch about wat had happened. this kind of act would only b done 4 those people who have no heart. n bcoz they did it, they are one of them. we will pray 4 justice n this case. even though that the truth won’t come out here n this earth of living but time of real judgement would come to heaven. i am also asking the heart n conscience of those who saw the incident to please come out n speak 4 truth. i know guys that u have heart. so please don’t b afraid to tell the truth n purely the truth. i just hope that everything would be okay n your family would b safe n would do recovery.
we will always there to support n pray 4 ur family.since we only wanted the truth n justice..
God bless n be safe..

Dapat sa mga politikong katulad neto nilalagyan ng granada sa pwet!!! Kung ang mga pulis at security guards ay may sinusunod na maximum tolerance di ba dapat ang public officials ganun din.

Hi! Saludo ako sa pamilya de la Cruz na ipinakita nila ang kanilang katapangan na napanuod ko d2 sa New York TFC channel.Yung mga tao dyansa atin na porke meron cla power o nasa position o kaya nasa politika ipinapakita nla ang kanilang pagka arrogante na akala nla ay kaya nla ang lahat,nagdadala cla ng firearms,bodyguards na parang goons thats abusive in power.Saludo ako sainyu family dela Cruz,and God Bless.

disadvantage sa mga big name politiko eh madaling mapuna and masiraan. david and goliath battle cry. advantage ng mga not-so-well-off na tao engaging in a well off sport or activity so they would have themselves feel well-off, yours truly not exempted, is that we tend to be oozing with pride that we are so and so but when nakabangga tayo ng mas big time at mas malakas.. naturally we’ll lose,of course..we become bitter with our pride ohhh so badly bruised…and then we call in the big brother press people, yup typical of the not so well-off trying to pass as well-off with allegedly ties to somebody high up in the government(apparently no so high up)…or in the military. well can’t blame us, we have at least reached that level of education. and in our present heirarichal society ,,ouch ouch that’s gotta leave a mark.

it can be settled out of court, $$$ cahching!!, of course not now..maybe a year or two when the lawyer fees and the incidental expenses had gone to the brim. premiums and loans will be too tight, and one may think a trip to boracay next summer in really not a good idea…if the kids promise to stay home and behave..ermm maybe.

or extreme scenario…goons from mindanao simply board a plane and wipe out the whole barangay..all two storey of it. not a suggeston of course, but not a distant possibility, considering what the lower house building had gone through in th recent past.

and there goes my humble view, kung natalo ka suntokan let the wound heals, and then strike back..well..not in a star wars kinda way.

like all the stories from squabbles in the green..this will loss steam and just fade away into the night..and i really mean peacefuly.

this like a road rage ..except that..hehehe..the driver on the other side was no easy sheep.

anger management course will be in order..cut bait and save face. enter into an out of court settlement and get some juice out of all these before the media lose heat of the trail..hehe

of course, this is just my blog view

Huh!? Amidst this chaos on economic…poverty and gross unemployment globally..these burgis-playing golf war freak people steal the scenes just right after the Christmas Day ( a day after the Jesus born), where most people were sober and peaceful.

Anyway…I dont want to prejudge them…besides they both afford to hire top lawyers. Let’s leave this case to so many unsolved cases. Let us not forget …the issue of another de la Paz who brought millions of pesos to Europes and still not retrieved ’til now…the JocJoc’s fertilizer scam ..the Alabang boys…etcs…etcs…

Let’s still hope for the best!

parehong maimpluwensya palagay ko. its just an ego WAR!
baka nagkainggitan kc magaling sa golf ang dela paz family,
nevertheless, there should be no physical involve. parehong
mayayabang ang dating!, syempre kung sino duguan, sya ang
lalabas na kawawa. above all, minors should not be beaten…
kahit manakit pa cla(kc marunong na rin yang mga yan sumuntok)
PANGANDAMAN family in Mindanao are very helpful and down to earth, but because of the incident, they need to give apology to dela paz para matapos na,same with dela paz. wag na palakihin,kung pride lang pairalin, wlang mananalo, nagsasayang lang kau ng pera, yumayaman lang mga abogago! peace

Tapusin na dapat to, magkasundo na lang dapat.

Tama si sky. Wag na nating palakihin ang simpleng away na yan. Kung sa kalye nga pangkaraninwan lang ang ganyang away. nagkataon lang na kilala ang family na involved. I have a friend na member ng Valley Golf Club and I heard na itong si DE LA PAZ ay madami ding hindi nakakasundong mga members ng club. ( I don’t know the reason pero baka there is something wrong sa ugali din nya). If I’m not mistaken nangyari ang fight sa Umbrella na na kung saan nagpapahinga ang mga pangandaman and the confrontation was held sa golf area mismo, it means tapos na ang tension at mainit na pagtatalo ng maganap ang sakitan. ngayon pano nahantong sa sakitan, sino ang unang lumapit sa sa kanila para humantong sa away at baket humantong sa sakitan (who made the initial provocation?) Ito siguro ang mga tanong na magbibigay sa atin ng malinaw na kasagutan BAGO tayo manghusga…. Kaya nga hindi lahat ng attorneys sa mundo ay nagiging Judge dahil it takes wisdom, expertise to analyze at keen judgment ang kailangan to be one. kaya wag tayong MANGHUSGA MGA KAPATID. WAG TAYONG MAGBIGAY NG MALING SYMPATHY.

napakadaling sumira ng isang tao lalo na sa panahong ngayon, isang BLOG lang ok na like this. ang daming mga pusong mamon agad ang nagbibigay na sympathy sa author…

“DON’T JUDGE SO YOU WON’T BE JUDGED!”

It is not like if someone HITS you, your going to do the same thing..
because it hurts you, esp If you are someone who has a position in GOVERNMENT… c’mon ACT like an OFFICIAL not like a CHILD.

yayabang ng mga delapaz sa salita lang sila.
kong tutuosin sila naman ang nag- una kasi hnd yon mangyayari kay delpin kong hind siya masamang tao.. ingitiro si delapaz nainggit sila sa mga pangandaman.. if i know familya delapaz nag hahanap sila ng gulo kay nasser sr. kasi gusto nilang mag apply sa DAR secretary..
at si Bambe delapaz obious naman na nag papacute kay mayor Nasser Jr.
Mga Inggitero mga delapaz family

I think is it affair to call the incident as “MAULING”. It was more of a misunderstanding which led to an unfortunate situation. There was no intention by both sides to be physical with each other but because of a heated argument, it became a BRAWL or a FIGHT (NOT MAULING) and obviously the DE LA PAZs were hurt against the PANGANDAMANS.

But it seems that most of the comments are one sided due to Bambee’s blogs attacking the other party with her account of the story. We should give the benefit of the doubt for each party and let the investigation undergo. I heard bambee talk about what happened and she portrayed it as if they were ganged up. I also tried getting the side of the MAYOR but they decline to give information saying that it may just worsen the situation.

Every blog site I read shows hatred to the PANGANDAMANS because of their status. The issue here is what happened in the golf club and not about politics, religion and race.
I haven’t seen any blog that the other party defended what Bambee is claiming. If the DE LA PAZ were indeed battered, then by all means provide their evidence in court. I am not taking sides here but I don’t appreciate a person destroying another individual by mere words of unproven facts and getting sympathy by crying and appealing to the public through a media frenzy.

How this incidents is seen, whether the PANGANDAMANS are proven GUILTY of whatever they are being accused of or being cleared of what happened…It is obvious that they have lost because of what was perceived of them.

Paanong sasabihin mong mga delapaz ang nauna….hoy gumising ka! cguro nalagyan ka rin..kagaya ng witness ng mga pangandaman hahahahah .

Im not taking any sides but the bottom line is someone got hurt, let alone a 14 yr. old boy

For me, its not really a big issue who instigated the fight. The Pangandamans are clear have the advantage in number and muscle compare to Mr. Dela Paz. Even if Mr. Dela Paz provoked the Pangandamans with their lousy and war-freak bodyguards , they should have excercise RESTRAINT and could have at least hold Mr. Dela Paz arms to bring him to Valley Golf’s Security Office for proper sanction since Mr. Dela Paz does not carry a gun or a have a pre-concepted intention to inflict harm (let alone with an umbrella). The question is “ACCOUNTABLITY” , whatever their bodyguards does are clearly the Pangandamans responsibility. This actions are unbecoming of a public officials knowing that his sons were involved in the scuffle.

The Damage has been done, no matter this case ends in out of court settlement. This incident should not be ignored or taken aside for any rumors or malicious intentions there may be, the TRUTH must be revealed. People should not take this lightly since this might happen to us common people as well, ( i.e not in golf course ) but this incident should send awareness that people should fight for their right if they are oppressed and treated as a second class citizen in their own country. There should be Accountability in all our actions and NO ONE should be above the LAW. This might sound rhetoric but it has its purpose.

Let us send a BIG MESSAGE to people in POWER ( rich, police,senators,president…etc) that their actions and their people working for them, have the accountability or command responsibility for such actions that might undermine their credibility.

If the Pangandaman are affected with the series of Blog messages against them , then they should had think twice before they engaged on a petty fight and they cannot stop people in expressing their views.. they dont have the power now to stop it and they will never will….. Dream on then if they like …

Ms. Noemi, relax ka lang…..Masyado ka obvious to be on the side of the DE LA PAZs.

Being the moderator…You should give both parties the benefit of the doubt.

bobo lang ang manilawala sa pangandaman sa rami nila at may mga bodyguard pa cla na may baril,cla pa ang susugodin ng mga de la paz, na 56 years old,, isang babae at isang bata.. mahiya naman cla sana.. d2 sa mindanao alam naman natin ang pag uugali ng mga moros na iyan,, na mga politiko d2,, pag dumaan yan cla d2 parang mga dios yan cla,, ang daming sasakyan din maraming bodyguard na may matatas na baril.. kong d2 lang cguro yan nangyari sa mindanao,, pinatay na nila ang delapaz,.. kaya dapat cguro na mag tatag na ng ilaga groups dyan para may lumaban sa mga tao na yan.. kaya hindi matapos ang gulo d2 sa mindanao,, dahil yan ang pag uugali nga mga leader d2.. at kinukonsinti naman nga ating goberno.. dahil malaking boto ang mabigay nila yan sa pag datin sa election.. kac magaling yan cla sa daya.. kawawang juan dela cruz pina sesweldo nila ang taong bobongbog sa kanila,, wala na nga nagawa sa kanilang bayan,, human right violator pa..

As Khaz had said, we should not be bias just because the accused are influential people. We should not judge them because the author of this blog is one member of the accuser. We should give them the benefit of the doubt. Hindi lahat ng nakaka angat sa buhay na tulad ng mga akusado ay malulupit na tao. I just think na something trigger the incident. Tulad ng sinabi ko, I sympathized with the De La Paz dahil dehado sila, pero ang tanong naman ay, paano at sino ang nag simula ng gulo. I’m sure people like Naomi, Khaz or Pulis na Pogi are old enough to understand that we are all responsible for our own action. We should think first before we act or react into any given situation.

There should be a right venue to file charges and that is the court of law, but of course this blog is just one way to express our concern and opinions, but not to take side. I am most certain that on one in this blog really knows what exactly had happened other than what we have read in the paper or any other blog, internet site, hear in the radio, or television, etc. Kaya hindi na tayo umasenso, dahil mahilig tayo makinig sa mga tsimis. Pansin niyo ba, masyado tayong maka diyos but we judge one person through mere tsimis.

This blog is only one of many ways to gather information and to know what was going on around us. This is a wonderful tool with the help of this new age technology, but we are using this in a wrong way. Nag papadala tayo sa ating emotion at masyado tayong naniniwala agad sa mga sabisabi. Sayang pinaka matalino pa naman ang pinoy sa lahat ng lahi sa mundo pero sa simpleng blog ng author ng blog, kumampi naman tayo agad at nakaka sira tayo agad ng reputation ng isang tao. Peace to all 2009 na po.

We have been following this story since it first came out last December 26. We are also reading blogs written about it. Sad to say that most, if not all, who write or share their views are quick to judge the Pangandamans, who we are sure, don’t even know them from Adam. Is it because they are government officials that they automatically, branded Corrupt and Abusive? We agree that the inclusion of the 14 year old Dela Paz son was unfortunate but he shouldn’t have joined the so-called fracas in the first place. The fact that he did just shows human nature taking its course because he felt that his father was in trouble. Just like Hussein, when he saw his brother Mayor Pangandaman being poked by an umbrella and “himampas” by a golf driver, go to his brother’s defense.
Let us not judge them anymore since the cases have already been filed at the Courts.

We just want to share with everyone what sort of a person Secretary Pangandaman is and the kind of people his sons are. Sec Pangandaman became our Secretary in DAR last 2005 previous to that he was one of our Usecs. Since he entered the DAR, he was always low profile. If anyone of you has ever noticed, our department is the government office along elliptical circle that never runs out of rallies and streamers against CARP or the DAR Administration. Sometimes, kaming mga empleyado pa nga ang napipikon sa mga ginagawa sa ahensya namin ng mga tiga Civil Society. But has our Secretary ever been pikon sa kanila? Never! kahit pumunta pa kayo dito sa DAR at mag imbestiga. Si Sec namin ay sobra pasensyoso at maka tao. Sa Katunayan nga isa siya sa pinaka well loved na naging Secretary dito sa DAR. Ang mga anak ni Sec are ganoon din mga mababait, magagalang at masusunurin na anak. Kaya kami ay nagulat kung bakit ganoon ang nangyari sa kanilang mag ama dahil hindi totoo ang mga sinasabi tungkol sa kanila. Hindi kami naniniwala na ang kampo ng Sec namin ang nagumpisa ng away dahil hindi nila yun gawain unless siguro hey were Provoked to the limit!

Naomi, I am sorry, i am so damn not to know who the author is and so you are not only so bias yourself but also the judge itself. We read your complaint now its just the matter of believing what you’ve all said right? Don’t get me wrong, It;s not that I don’t believed with your story, of course you are one of the involved party and I am not there to prove you wrong otherwise. I’ve just said that we should not judge the accused by reading your blog and to every words you said about the incident, but I don’t think that it is also pair to the other party to condemn them either. Remember, that each and everyone of us is innocent until proven guilty in the court of law and not in the court of personal opinion. I thought Philippines is now a democratic country?

First of all, what is your intention of writing this blog? I understand that your family and you are involved on this incident. I am not a lawyer, but I think you should cease making comment about it because as far as i know, the charges had been filed. In the other hand, the accused camp probably don’t want to comment about it since the complaint against them had been filed. Does it makes any sense?, if you know what i am talking about. You have to prove your case in the court of law not through this blog.

When I first made my comment here, I have said that i am not taking any side at all but to express my opinion about this case. i respect each and everyone’s opinion, its a healthy way to express a very decent conversation. Being bias is a totally different story. I am not going to subject myself to a very agressive and a very opinionated individual who’s only buying sympathy from other bias people, but then again, I sympathized with your family especially with your younger 14 year old brother. Any individual, young or old people alike are capable of hurting anybody and each and everyone of us have the right to depend ourselves, so again let me go back to what I’ve said before, something trigger the accused to hurt your younger brother. I will leave that to the investigator. I sympatized with your family it is because they are the one who sustain more injury. Do they deserve it? Well let the court decide and not this blog. Just my two cents.

Again, I am sorry, I am really confused. Now I got it…..continue with the blog, or may I say, “happy blogging” ?

Hello Mr. Lee,
I respect each and everyone’s opinion wholeheartedly and I don’t disagree with them either. That’s the reason why I keep on answering and/or responding through this blog. It’s a healthy and democratic way of expressing your own opinion. I do not question the content and the substance of the blog, but the feeling and expressions of the blogger. What I don’t aggree is how this thread is being used for personal gain by the author to buy synpathy. For me, it’s undemocratic and it’s not fair. Again, that’s only my opinion, you have yours and I respect that. PEACE.

Presidente Gloria Macapagal Arroyo… Madam Presidente, Public Servant/Official mo, nambubugbog ng inosenteng Bata at Civilian! Sana di mo talikuran ang pag protekta mo sa taong bayan! Kami ang nagbibigay ng SWELDO sa inyo! kaya luxurious ang buhay nyo ay dahil sa amin. Ayusin mo itong PROBLEMANG ito!

Ang Masakit dyan. Sya ang ating representative sa Peace Panel!!!!!!????

‘m a golfer too & I can relate to De La Paz family , Pangandaman klan needs to realize that golf is not for everyone (even if you can afford it), this game is not a sabong or boxing match… there are rules that needs to be followed & diplomacy is always encouraged . God i wish I get paired w/ that family in one of my golf round here in U.S. so I can show them how the real golfer should behave even when I’m having a bad round.
In the golf course…. your attitude, skill & score will tell everyone who you are…. you need a good swing not bodyguards & machine guns to go under par. I’f I could suggest Pangandaman family should build their own golf course kung saan mang bundok sila nangaling…so they could make their own golf rules & possibly add MP5 or M1 carbine as another club to their golfbag.

Regards

Mr Torrey Pines

Power tends to corrupt.. Absolute power corrupts absolutely…

Those who got a abuse power and influence,are a menace to a decent society. Evidence : turning a gentleman’s golf game, to a game of golpe!

I saw the footmarks on the victims (dela Paz). Decent people don’t fight or WORSE step on other human beings. (literally and figuratively.) Even dogs don’t do that. These Pangandamans, their kind and their minions are worst than dogs! They have positions of Cabinet Official and Mayor, yet they behave like hoodlums and thugs. Shame on you.

The despicable behavior of the Pangandaman siblings speaks of the kind of parents they have. Through his inaction, Sec. Pangandaman condoned his sons abusive behaviors. What are we in power for.. right Sec? With that kind of paternal models, I’m afraid to think of what might his grandkids can do. IF YOU HAVE ANY SHAME LEFT..YOU SHOULD RESIGN FROM YOUR GOVERMENT POSITION.

Pleeeease lang… Stop judging!!!! We really don’t know know what happend that day as you and I were not there!! Nasa Courts na let’s wait for the verdict nalang.

Mr. Lee,

I salute you back, sir. This is my way of saying how I respect every intelligent people like you. I am very careful to what I have to say and/or write in this forum because I have the understanding of every people’s opinion count and I think that everybody should also follow the same rule or is there any? Oh, well only if other bloger should stick to the issue and share their own views and stop the name calling then it should be more fun reading the blog because we can learn something more from it.

Yes, we share views and opinions and that is the most important thing as far as communication is concern. The success of each individual, marriages and even in business rest on good communication and I know you’ll agree with me on that. I can only suggest whether they will follow or not, is to stick to the issue and share their own views with us to educate us some more. Again, happy blogging

TO THE PANGANDAMANs: WALA BA KAYONG AWA TALAGA?
KAHIT MINOR PINATULAN? GANUN BA KAYO KA HI-BLOOD?
HINDI KAYO MARUNONG MGPA KUMBABA? IDAGDAG
NYO NAMAN ANG SALITANG HUMILITY SA BOKABOLARYO
NYO AT INTINDIHIN NYONG MABUTI.
KAWAWA YONG KAPAMILYA NYO NA MABABAIT,
NADADAMAY, EH… MERON BA?

Palagay ko maaacquit yang mga Pangandangans, kasi alam nyo naman yung Judicial system dito sa Pinas. Pag malakas ka acquit ka at kung may pera ka acquit ka rin.

Mataas ba ang suweldo sa pagseserbisyo sa gobyerno? Kasi tinawag ang Dela Paz na “Low Income Earners” eh, I heard na balewala naman ung sweldo ng mga government officials eh dahil sa tindi irregularities and corruptions dito sa Pinas barya lang ang talagang sweldo ng mga government officials kaya nga nagpapatayan ung mga politicians para makaupo. Ang di ko lang alam ay kung dahil sa desire nilang makatulong sa tao or dahil sa greed of power and money.

Pero ang ipinagtataka ko lang ay kung paano naging aggressive “daw” ang mga Dela Paz(es) na isang 56 yrs old, 14 yrs old at isang dalagita vs. Pangandangans na mayroong bodyguards na “Armado” ng mga high caliber weapons.

Kung titingnan natin ung sequence ng pangyayari, parang obvious na maaaring nagcomplained ang old Dela Paz to Pangandangans about a breach of golfing etiquette and if we say its an arrogant act for reminding that “breach” dapat wala ng rules na inestablish, may exception pala depende sa social standing na kapag mataas na tao (yun ang feelings ng mga pangandangans) ang pagsasabihan it is called “arrogant” pero pag mas mababa it is called “breach of rules”. Pero kung ichachallenge sa away ng isang matanda na may kasamang bata na 14 yrs old ang 6 na maton na armado ng high caliber weapons, parang di na ito kapanipaniwala! Di naman mga bobo ang mga judges dito sa pilipinas, katunayan nga alam ng mga judges ang mga loopholes ng batas natin eh at thru technicalities kaya nilang baliktarin ang naagrabyado na sya ang may sala or o pareho silang may sala kaya patas lang at case dismissed if the price is right! Dahil dito palagay ko acquit pa rin ang mga pangandangans, malalakas yan at kaya nilang bilhin ang hustisya rito sa Pinas.

By the way wala bang rules na bawal magdala ng deadly weapons sa loob ng golf course? Kung wala, mahirap pala dahil baka may makabangga kayong tulad nila Pangandangans. Kung meron naman, applicable lang ito sa depende sa social status at exempted siguro ung tulad nila pangandangans, mahirap pa rin yata.

Pero atleast kung may pangalan ang mga naglalaban mas mabilis ang lutuan at decision di tulad ng mga ordinaryong mga mamamayan na natutulog lang ang mga kaso sa korte. Laging postpone at kung ano- ano kunwaring seminars at meetings ang pinupuntahan na di man lang inisip na ang mga may cases ay patuloy na nagbabayad sa mga lawyers kahit postpone. Kung tutuusin kung talagang aayusin ang justice system sa Pinas ay pwedeng pwede, magdagdag sila ng judges at kung kinakailangang expansion gawin nila, pero siyempre public service iyon eh di naman para sa personal interest ng mga corrupt na mga nakaupo kaya, its not even in the list of priority or baka naman nasa potential improvement list na since 20 years ago di pa lang nagkakaroon ng tamang pagkakataon ang mga nakaupo para iimplement ito…

I do believed that Mr De lapaz is sincere i know they are telling the truth. Sana maawa naman kayo sa binugbog nyo mag sabi na kayo ng totoo away ni God ang sinungaling,

ganyan kayo, kasi yasn ung pinapalabas ng media, syempre istorya nga naman mabenta. tignan nyo nga muna yung mga katawan nyo kung wala kyong mali. hnd lahat ng cnasabi nila tama, syempre nga naman ung ilalalagay nila ung mabenta, ung makakakuha ng tao. advertisement, kung marami nga namang babasa manunuod or makikinig syempre mas maganda mag advertise. walang dangal ang media pera pera nlang lahat. walang kwenta media.

Rick,

I totally in agreement with your point of view. I, myself hate those kind of people with passion who break the very same law that they themselves had created. Sana pag bawal, bawal whatever’s your status in our society. However, this people hired a bodyguard for a reason. They are in the Philippines and like most normal citizen living a normal life, of course this people wanted to go out in public and do what they wanted to do most in life like of course playing golf but the only difference is they have to hire a goons to protect them for any reason like eventually had happened there that day.

What I’ve wanted to point out is, who’s the instigator, of course none of us knows that nor have the first hand knowledge, other than the actual people involve with this incident. I strongly support filing charges by either camp but both of them should have a strong conviction in doing so. As I’ve said from the beginning, no turning back, go all at war in the name of justice and they must prove their case in the court of law.

Now I’m sure we are going to question the justice system in the Philippines. Sayang nga lang at walang Jury system in the Philippines unlike here in the state, where the jury panel decide the fate and the outcome of the case without the influence of either party regardless of their status in the society. The case lies on skills of their lawyer and how far they can get through to win their case. We should of course trust the system and abide by the decision of the court because if we don’t trust the justice system, what’s the point of going through the process itself? You are just wasting your time and money. Fight for your right but if for some reason, you loose the case, you should respect the decision rendered. Lets not make any excuses because we already knew that only in the Philippines where there’s only two ways to determine the outcome of the case, the winner and the one that had been cheated.

GOOD LUCK…….De La Paz lawyer is a high caliber lawyer and he is proven to be a very good lawyer but on the same token, if he doesn’t get the result in his favor, that should only mean a couple of things, and that is, He don’t have a case or He didn’t do a good job gathering all information, witnesses, and evidence. We should not blame it all on our justice system or the influence of the pangandaman be an excuse.

If there is a smoke, there is a fire. The Pangandaman sure did not went to the golf course to hunt for people randomly to pick on and beat them like the De La Paz is claiming to be. They are just simply in a wrong place and in a wrong time. On the other hand, so with the De La Paz’s whom I believed has an ego problem himself. Something that trigger the incident and they both colide in an instant. The Pangandaman are loaded and ready for something like this, remember they feel like they’re untouchable, and cannot be overtaken by some wanabe like the De La Paz. Its like a fuse of a bomb ticking wating for it to explode. One thing leads to another, and then, the innevetable, both colided with full force. Each side doesn’t want to be outdone by the other until the smoke turn into a small flare and eventually became a full blown fire. End result both side sustained gashes and bruises, only De La Paz’s sustained more than the other, but then again, they are outnumbered. He then came into a reality na na argabyado sila so his EGO is badly bruise and it is more important now than his pride. What more can you say, he knows he cannot beat them physically, of course, he’ll try to beat them emotionally by attacking their personality, dignity, and most importantly, their credibility. I say….File charges prove your case, you have the best lawyer that you can ever have. Concentrate on how to win this case and do not even think about the influence of the accused. Fight to win and not the other way around. Let’s just hope for the best…….2009 na maraming magagandang balita sa Pilipinas beside this…Take the case of the good Major of PDEA who’s being offered a brive by the infamous ALABANG BOYS. but then again i’ll reserve my comment on another thread. PEACE OUT PO

Sorry for my typo error of Pangandaman written as Pangandangan, wala kasi silang pakundangan, Joke!

Clash of ego ang nangyari.. isang mayaman at isang politico…. pang maykaya lang ang golf e… status symbol…. pati anak ni dela paz e naglalaro… gentleman’s game daw ang golf…PWE! ang asal ng mga yan e hoodlum…

yang mga pulitikong mga yan, ang yayabang pati mga bodyguards… e sineswelduhan lang naman ng taumbayan…akala mo na kung sino.. idamay niyo pa yang mga pulis, militar, konsehal at pati hamak na barangay tanod…
Kaya lang kung iisipin, yang mga dela Paz e mayaman din kasi(kaya afford maggolf)…tinamaan ang mga ego sa paglalaro ng golf…away ng mga mayayabang…nagpa-awa effect din na kesyo matanda na yung tatay… tapos yung anak e may hangin din sa ulo..

gaya sa badminton sa corporate, daming mayabang(gaya ng duktor na ulol na naglalaro sa centro-inihian ko sasakyan mo gago!) at ngayon lang yata nakapaglaro ng competitive game… hindi nakakaintindi ng pagkatalo or sportsmanship…mga PWE!!!

you kiddin me?

let’s be honest here,
we all hate politicians, their reputation in pinas is rabid.
and they;re easy targets for media slaughter as well.

but come on,
hey, the dela paz patriach swings a bad temper..and towards somebody of greater power and influence..and firearms undoubtedly.
now come on, he must have a inkling of what’s coming back at him.

i say wrong move pal,
you should have tend to your anger..and your temper when you’re out in public..especially if your kids are around…jezzz..
i know am a dad too, and there are times when am driving and some rude road user gets to me..wew..i look at my kids in back seat and i defuse with rationality .
although, sure 10-15yrs ago if the same thing happens to me..i’d be out of the car with a not so nice attitude and with ill intent …i tell ya.jail time or not..im a testosterone dynamite.

the last thing you do is poke around your brolley(although not actually hitting anything or anybody-really pointless, an act only known to those who doesnt know how rumble), because that would be fuel to a brewing fire. damn! why can’t the old man then just gave it a pause and think!!crikey!!he was teasing the lion with fresh meat by what he was doing!!

if i was the politician being shouted at ang being invited for a brawl..
my o my..i’d be in the same headline as the israel vs gaza conflict.
thank god i hate pinas politics..

and what now? using the child in defense to mount an offense?
low blow..cannot be borrow one..
exactly my point, why the heck did the old man blew his top with the kids around? what in godsgreen earth posssesed him to do such that..because they’ll gonna miss their tee?..for a bloody golf swing?
man,,he is ?56..he should have known better!

to mayor and usecretary pangandamans’,despite all these i think manila is still a safer playground than back home..but please keep it down a notch next time..

p.s. by the way? why the heck are you so far away from your people mayor?shouldnt you be more spending more time in your constituent rather than playing golf?dont tell me you’re on your break..that would be lame..soooo lame.

Rick,

I got your point and I certainly agree with you about the pangandaman’s being loaded with who knows, high calibered weapons and I m sure you also knew the reason why they carry such weapons. When I say ineviteble, I only meant one thing, they are ready for anything in any circumstances that may arise in any given situation.

You said that the old De La paz group were outnumbered without any weapon, and for that, i will disagree with you this time. Anything on hand can be use as a weapon. the umbrella itself is a weapon much less the golf club that alledgedly use by the 14 year old son, is already considered a weapon. When you are approached by a very distraught individual, tryiing to pick a fight with you armed with an umbrealla, of course you are going to react and I know that your first reaction is to depend yourself. Remember, that in every action, there’s always a reaction.

All this is just a mere analyses on my part, because I have to admit that, I have no first hand knowledge to every datails that transfired that day. My opinion is based on what I’ve heard and seen on the news. I am not an attorney but I gave the benefit of the doubt to the De La paz side. The Pandamangan are armed but keep in mind, if they’re intention is to really hurt or even worst killed anybody that day, they can probably done it without a doubt in my mind but instead all you see on the news reflect a very mad De La paz claiming they got beaten badly by the mayor’s group, althought, if you look take a closer look, the only thing that is badly bruise is his ego.

Now ladies and gentlemen of the jury, i am appealing to you, let’s not judge anyone though hearsay. they are the only people that knows what had happened. let’s give justice one more try. lets not forget that anybody is innocent until proven guilty in the court of law. i am sure that we already gave our justice system a lot of preasure for at least on this case alone. We cannot dismiss the fact that the De La Paz can afford to hire a high caliber lawyer, they have all the capabilities of winning this case against the mayor but they must prove their case beyond reasonable doubt.

Each side had influence in their own right. The only difference is that the pangandamans are a public servants and a public figure on the other hand, the De La paz is a wanabe big time. This is simply his take so he has to take advantage of the situation…..nonetheless, both of them should grow up, it will be a wake up call for both.

Glentomacruz and jasper, excellent analysis. Please continue to blog. I need to educate myself more from people like you guys……

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Rick,
You wrote:

I have a feeling that they will reach an amicable settlement soon rather than banging their heads further in the court but lets wait and see…

I just hope not sir I am still in favor of filling charges and let the litigants fight out in court. Test of power, sort of and who knows, it maybe time to break the culture of ” palakasan system ”

That is what I hate with this egomaniac so called elite in the Philippines. They flexed their muscles, go to the media and treat their foes with lawsuit and act like they own the justice department but next thing you know, they reach amicable settlement like you’ve said and they will forget everything including the values to which they fought from the very beginning. People like us, who followed the story and gave some importance to their drama end up as the real loser. Just my two cents.

Rick,

Please strike out my comment about the deadly weapon. You are obsolutely right when you say umbrella doesn’t need a licence to be carried around, however umbrealla can be use as a weapon. It may not kill you, but it may hurt you bad. I don’t know about you, but I’m sure I am going to react immidiately if some very angry individual approach me screaming and ready to attack. I am not going to second guess what the person can do to me. I will react to depend myself. It’s with us as a Filipino. We don’t wait till the other guy will hurt us in this kind of situation, in other words, “hindi tayo nag papa una, upak agad ”

Mr. de La Paz doesn’t look like his age at 56. I am most certain that the mayor doesn’t have any idea who’s Mr. De La Paz and what kind of person he is and most of all, he doesn’t have any idea what’s this person are capable of.

Rick,

I believed that we are both in the same page. I just wished that each and everyone of us have the same attitude as we are, when it comes to making a sound judgement by turning the other cheek around each time we smell trouble. Unfortunately, we are all born different and every person has their own way on how to deal with problems.

De La Paz is old enough to think about the welfare of his family by not trying to push the mayor’s button and eventually putting his family in harms way. Sure there’s only two option to deal with the situation. To ignore the mayor and let the proper authority deal with him, or try to become somebody that he is not to pick a fight with the real somebody who’s armed with a real deadly weapon and of course, he chose the later and he got hurt.

You disarmed a thug trying to hurt your love one when you were 20 years old. I would do the same thing bro. to depend my interest. I will certainly not going to have anybody lay a hand on any member of my family or even my girlfriend for that matter. However, this situation is completely differ from the golf incident. Your experience is much worst that anybody can imagine because its the real criminal that is involved and ready to hurt anybody for the money. You’re in a situation where most of the time, you are not prepared to encounter. These criminals lived by its name. They are capable of taking a life in the name of almighty peso. Unfortunately for them, they encounter somebody like you who is trained to protect and depend.

The golfing incident can be prevented but its the ego of both party is mightier than their wealth. They can summon the proper authority to handle their argument but they chose to flexed muscles and even put other members of their family in harms way. (lapse in gudgement I supposed) In fact, if I am not mistaken, please correct me if I am wrong, you’ve mention in your previous post that Mr. De La Paz is equally liable in putting his 14 years old son into this mess. He is equally liable for that anti child abuse law? (I think he should)

Again, I still urge both camp to settle their differences in court and let see who’s got the biggest and mightiest ego of them all. I am just hoping that they don’t settle anything but the real justice that they are seeking from day one. Happy weekend everyone.

i wonder what is the next thing that the de la paz apologists will say, now that valley golf expells Dela Paz and only suspends for two years the dar chief.

valley golf concluded that de la paz instigated the fight!

even here in germany. kilala nang masamang tao yan si mayor pangandaman jr. ( it could be tsismis lang). this incident did’ nt surprise me at all. even de la paz being expelled, pangandaman is suspended. its a good thing lumabas agad sa media. dahil kung hindi they’r dead by now. sorry to say but you’re not getting any justice, not in your lifetime. that DOJ investigation is just a show.

good luck with the senator. Am sure your inputs will be taken to consideration.

sabi dati, “makakahanap rin ng katapat yang mga Pangandaman na yan.”

ang sabi ngayon, “naku, mukhang nakahanap ng katapat yang mga Dela Paz na yan ah!”

ang hirap sa karamihan sating mga Pilipino, napapa-amo agad dahil sa simpatya; naniniwala agad sa ma-aksyong kwento. yan siguro ang napapala natin sa kakapanood ng wowowee at kakasubaybay sa mga telenovela.

suriin munang mabuti ang tipo at pag-uugali ng bawat (di-umano’y) nasasakdal, lalu na ang (di-umano’y) nabiktima. magbasa at magsaliksik nang mabuti. maging mas objective at wag padadala sa mga haka-haka at maramdaming emosyon ng iba.

at pakiusap lang, wag idamay ang mga kapatid nating Muslim. ang Islam ay pag-ibig, tulad rin ng Kristyanismo.

manalig sa katotohanan, dahil naririto ang katarungan.

Inshallah…

Looks like valley golf has already unloaded some penalties on both parties.

You may want to think of it as a solomonic solution. There are certainly lessons to be learned here….

All I can say to the Dela Pazs’ is….. AND NOW THE KARMA BEGINS…… THE END!

I have said again, lets not decide based on our ideals that polticians are always the culprits, they may be corrupt but not violent. Too petty and insignificant for the likes of Pangandamans to make the first move. There’s no way to become offensive when your golf flight is ahead of that of dela paz. I may do the same if I got poke by an umbrella, its just normal to react defensively and not blame his companions or bodyguards to respond to what they are being paid for.

What happend sa mga tama at ga tuldok na dugo sa mga dela paz are just nothing. It could be worse kung sa dami ba naman ng kasama nila Pangandaman, e di dapat mga lumpo at basag basag ang mga mukha ng mga dela Paza at meron pang oras hanapin si Atty fortun, dapat doktor kaagad ang punta, so I presume that the Pangandamans acted in self-defense. Dela Paz should take it easy in the golf course, hindi lahat ng naglalaro kasing galing nila. They have no idea kung sino ang binabanga nila, simple overtake lang ng golf cart at sa kabagalan ng laro ng Pangandaman, naipon na ang init ng ulo. I would say kung nakilala lang ni Dela Paz na mga Pangandamans mga yan, hindi siya ganyan katapang. Hindi rin sila papatulan ng mga Pangandamans kung hindi sila ang nagsimula.

Based on the recent report from the Golf Club, if it is true that Old Dela Paz instigated the fight then he can also be blamed for whatever outcome of that commotion (no exception). I can’t deny that I am surprised for this kind of bully attitude from an old man. An older man should be more patient and should make even more sound decision.

I wonder what was playing on old Dela Paz mind that time he instigated the fight. Probably Dela Paz thought that he is so wealthy and deserves to be respected? And bullying = gaining respect?

I believe that people don’t need to be wealthy to enjoy respect. But you can also be wealthy and respected at the same time. For example the Sy family that owns SM, I never heard that any of those Sy family get involve into any disorderly behaviour but they are very well respected, I can surely say,it is the result of the family upbringing. I don’t know if Dela Paz wealth have already reached 1/10 of Sy’s wealth but Dela Paz wealth seem already over and above his head that made him so proud and forgot the basics of human relations and the use of proper channel. I don’t want to think that old Dela Paz had already reached the height of mentality that being rich is invulnerable and fearful.

If its true that he instigated the fight then he should regret his action and think of changing his attitude going forward even he is already an old man otherwise his next generation might inherited his bad behaviour by make believe he did what is right. If he is an honest person even at least for himself, he should realize now (even seem quite too late for his age) that bullying is not a good approach even if he considered himself an elite. Else if he remains with the same attitude, his being elite might become “delite” (oops sorry wrong spelling ” “) when meeting his match.

If old delapaz thought he can afford to bully anybody in hope to create fear to the other party then the respect he is looking for shall soon diminish and most probably can even create hatred against him.

Despite that golf club report is internal and not the final probe of NBI, it has its own weight and still can be used as a hard evidence against old Dela Paz of what really happened due to several witnesses within that club, unless, Old Dela Paz have its own sets of witnesses that can discredit it.

I also believe that respect must be given to anybody regardless of his/her status but to enjoy its continuity, it should be earned and not automatic.

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Author: Rick
Comment:
Jasper,

As you mentioned :

“p.s. by the way? why the heck are you so far away from your people mayor?shouldnt you be more spending more time in your constituent rather than playing golf?dont tell me you’re on your break..that would be lame..soooo lame.”

Even though you help educate Jason as he mentioned in his post with your excellent analysis and I believe with Jason’s remarks about learning from you, please let me share a little bit on the way I look at it and trying to be fair enough.

Everybody needs a little break from their routine work… Regardless of their social or political status…Even the President of U.S. is not an exception and must take some time-off for their personal pleasure at the right moment… Executives, Construction Workers… who else? Everybody….Else humans might end up with nervous breakdown and even worse can make their job performance poorer without “rest and recreation”,

Rest and Recreation should however not be spoiled by a fight, else it is not fun anymore.

I am not defending Pangandaman specifically but I am defending our human race in general of which deserves R&R regardless of status… It is how are you “going to spend” or “afterwards spent it” that really makes the difference.
Cheers!

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In tangent, I implore objectivity.

Let’s be brutally frank here, the mayor’s town isnt exactly a thriving first class municipality. And that’s what i don’t like about Philippine politics, like you are running a company that is not doing well, should the manager or in-charge ponder upon a miraculous bail out plan out on a beach somewhere in Boracay?Or perhaps a round of golf?

You mentioned US presidents? Heck , they will go on vacation and breaks/why? because they can afford to! America isnt exactly a gloomy war-torn impoverish southern muslim town in the Philippines is it?

If you were a meek agricultural constituent in such a town, with stomach hollow in content, and you go seek out the help of the in charge for a certain concern…and the answer you get after all that hassle coming don to the flat land from the mountains..is that your mayor is out up north playing in some posh golf club and beating people up and dodging the media…

the same feeling would likened to a customer services call ‘ tahnk you for yopu call,due to high volume of calls, the town mayor is busy right now but if you just hold the line ;he’ll get back you shortly, ..’

that’s one reason I hate Philippine politicians..this is no time for relaxation!!! the ship is not in good shape! people jumping off(the OFWs) should be a no brainer!

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