27Dec 2008

Mayor Nasser Pangandaman Jr. (DAR chief’s son) Mauled A Father & Son at Valley Golf and Country Club

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January 5- News update Pangandaman kin face child abuse, injury raps over golf ‘brawl’ and Pangandamans file countersuit over golf brawl.

Check out the Online Petition for Pangandamans’ Resignation

(Update December 29- View the news video from GMA News as Bino, the 14 year-old cries on TV )

As soon as Caffeine Sparks plurked the GMAnews.tv report of DAR chief, mayor son accused of mauling golfers in Antipolo ( ABS-CBN has this news report), I read it immediately together with the blog post of Bambee de la Paz where she relates that

The world has gone crazy. Two politicians beat up a defenseless 56-year-old father and his 14-year-old son. At a golf course. I swear to God, I thought golfers were decent people. You would think politicians were decent people. I guess not. I guess they gang up on 56-year-old men and beat up pleading 14-year-old kids.

I don’t have a father anymore and my son would have been around the age of the 14 year old boy so my heart just went out to both father and son as Bambee describes how they were beaten up. I mean, wouldn’t you feel the same way if that was your father and brother or son? Yes, it could happen to you too.


(Photo credit to abs-cbnnews.com video)

Basing it on Bambee’s first person account, her 14 year old brother pleaded to Nasser Pangandaman Jr., mayor of Masiu in Lanao del Sur to please stop hitting his dad but what did the powerful Mayor do?


Photo screen cap taken from this GMA news video

The mayor looks at my brother, point to his face, and says, “Tatandaan kita!” And he tells me that my brother has a bad attitude and that I need to watch him. WHAT THE HELL?! So, my brother’s bad for defending his father?!

The de la paz family left the golf court but the powerful mayor Pangandaman was not contented:

We leave. We walk to the clubhouse to file a complaint. My brother asks for a doctor. My dad could barely walk. Their group comes to the clubhouse, sees my brother. Once again my brother pleads, says sorry, and is crying. He was CRYING, for crissakes. But no. The relentless mayor still punches him in the face, and then sees my dad and goes after my dad again. Him and his friend pull my dad to the ground, pulls at his feet, and steps on him like he’s dirt. I run to him and try to hold him back, holding him back by his shirt, while this other guy and this girl tries to stop me. She tells me to just stop it. I scream in her face “they’re beating my father up and you want me to stop?!” I pull at his shirt–I don’t let go. All I can see was my dad being trampled on. I didn’t even see my brother getting beat up.

Oh and to add injustice to everything:

1. Security personnel of the Valley Golf and Country Club in Antipolo tells them “umuwi na kayo, napakalaking tao ‘yan (just go home, you’re messing with big personalities here).”

None of the security guards at the clubhouse even tried to stop the fight and that other personnel reportedly told refused to cooperate when they asked for the names of the Pangandamans’ companions.

2. Though the DAR chief did not participate in the mauling, he just watched. He watched two of his sons, as we figured out, the other guy was his son, too, beat up my father and my 14-year-old brother. He didn’t do anything to stop it. And this person is what now? A cabinet member. A politician.

3. Mayor Pangandaman filed with the Mayamot police station in Antipolo a counter-complaint of physical injuries and grave threats against the dela Paz father and son.

Imagine the nerve.



Watch video here of 14 year old Bino as he tearfully recounts his ordeal

Yes, I understand there are two sides of the story and I’d like to hear the mayor’s side in explaining how he could beat up a kid and a much older guy not ONCE but TWICE. My husband confirmed the mauling incident through a member from the golf club. (update: Check the Incident Report from Valley Golf Club). Ade’s sister is a friend of Bambee de la Paz. I want to hear the mayor’s side and why his father (a Peacemaker appointee) looked the other way. I’d like to know why the mayor should not be charged for violating the RA 7610, the anti-child abuse law. I wonder if the Valley Golf club is also a party to the violation of the Anti-child Abuse law after they failed to give them further protection accorded to member’s minor child. (Update : Their side reported from Inquirer’s DAR chief readies suit vs son’s accusers )

The father talks about the traumatic ordeal of his son in an interview with Philippine Star :

“Aside from the bruises, he has been traumatized. He does not want to go to a golf course anymore,” De la Paz told The STAR in a phone interview.

“In his little way, my son has brought honor to our country in winning some medals and trophies in international tournaments,” he said.

I understand Bambee’s anger when she says “The world has gone crazy” and I fervently hope that justice be given not only to them but to all other farmers over land reform issues.
(Photo credit of the son Bino De La Paz, the father, Delfin De La Paz , Bambee De La Paz to abs-cbnnews.com video)

Bambee closes her entry with Please pray for my dad, my brother and for my whole family. Please pray that we get JUSTICE. Oh God, please, give these people what they deserve.

I know it might seem such a daunting task to tackle this issue alone but What can you do about it?. For now, let’s keep it simple.

1. Blog an entry about this incident.

2. Please Digg This.

3. Email your friends about Bambee’s entry, The World has Gone Crazy

Related Blog Entries (from oldest to current posts)

The World has Gone Crazy by Bambee de la Paz

Repost of Bambee’s post at Filipino Voices

Impunity and Golf By Caffeine Sparks

The World has Always Been Crazy, We Just Don’t Notice It: Mayor Beats Up 56 Year Old Man and 14 Year Old Boy by Ade

Golf, Guns, & Goons : Philippine Golf Horror Story by Joel Chua

Politicians Beat Up Defenseless Dad, 56, and Son, 14, Over Golf by Shari

Mayor of Lanao Del Sur Mauls Father and Son by Village Idiot Savant

DAR Secretary Nasser Pangandaman and Son maul 56-year-old Golfer and 14-year old Kid by Neil Es2pido

Irony to a Tee by Marck

With Great Power Comes Great IRresponsibility? by Jane

DAR Chief and Mayor of Masiu City Maul Helpless Dad and 14 yr old Son by Jepoy

These Bastards Have To Pay by Gerry Alanguilan

Politicians are the WORST. Stay away from them by Jen

Entitlement by Ia Lucero

A Dampener on the Season by Jonas Diego

crazy politicians by lalaine

Asshole Politicians Beat Up Father and Son Over Golf by Mad Cow Blues

Mayor Beats Up 56 Year Old Man and 14 Year Old Boy by BA Racoma

Mayor Nasser Pangandaman Jr. (son of DAR Chief) in Mauling Golfers in Antipolo by Dine Racoma

When A Family Golf Game Turns Ugly by Dementia

He Who Had Too Much Sense of Entitlement by Tess Termulo

Mayor, You’ve Been A Bad Boy! by Mark Bravo

You’re not Getting Away with This by Marcelle

Mayor Pangandaman Beats Up 56 year old man and his 14 year old son by Karla Redor

Potpourri II: The widening gyre

Of Thuggery and Courtesy Resignations by Ding G. Gagelonia

Politicians Maul Father & Son Over Golf by Regnard Raquedan

Philippine Mayor Beats Up Helpless Old Man Over Golf by Flisha

just a couple of days ago, sabi ko gusto ko maging pulitiko someday.

Blogs on Pangandaman

We haven’t really gone anywhere by Alex Maximo

Do Not Underestimate a Blogger: Bloggers Buzz Against the Injustice of a Mayor Nasser Pangandaman Jr. by cmaotaku

The “DVD” Side Of Philippine Politics by Dexie

Philippines: Uproar over mauling by mayor/son of Cabinet secretary by Global Voices

Ang Kapangahasan ng Isang Pulitiko by Fjordan

Mayor Nasser Pangandaman Jr. mauls golfers while father/Cabinet secretary just looks on by Tonyo Cruz

PANGANDAMNYOU: will GMA force Sec. Nasser Pangandaman to RESIGN? by Spanky

A Mindanaoan’s point of view on The Valley Golf Antipolo Controversy by Yolynne

Bully Foolitician Nasser Pangandaman Jr. by Pedestrian Observer

The Golf Incident: The Trouble with Mirrors by Juned

Masui Mayor beats up 56-yr-old man and 14-yr-old boy – another reason to oppose term extensions, no elections and Cha-Cha by Jhay Rocas

Pamandangan de Barbarian by Pao

Mayor and Bodyguards beat up 56 year-old man and 14 year old boy over GOLF by the_bumper_car

Not a Videogame This Time Folks by Rocky

DAR chief, son accused of mauling golfers in Antipolo by Jay-R

Local politicians maul a 56-year-old man and a 14-year-old boy by Lyn

Golfing with the Pangandaman…can hurt…(Repost of Bambee’s post) by lyn

Mayor and Bodyguards beat up 56 year-old man and 14 year old boy over GOLF by the_bumper_car

Impunity by Manolo Quezon

Mayor beats up 56-year-old man and 14-year-old boy… SHAME ON HIM. by Cheesy Chuckie

Of Golf, the Internet and Elites by Butch at Filipino Voices

Pangandaman and son display bad behavior by Arpee Lazaro

Nasser Pangandaman Jr.: The Warlord of Masiu by Carlos Conde of Pinoy Press

DAR chief’s son, 5 bodyguards face charges for alleged mauling of 2 golfers from Cotabato City News

Reports on DAR’s cheif son, Mayor Nasser Pangandaman’s Assult on Father & Son at Valley Golf & Country Club Antipolo by Brian Ong

Blog entry take your time to read this. these politicos need a REFORM. by xkeldax

Coming Up for Air….and bored by Jester in Exile

A Mauling Mayor from Lanao del Sur by Politekon

A Good Round Spoiled by Dr. M Bautista

Arroyo’s peace adviser merely watched his son’s mauling spree by Ellen Tordesillas

Pangandamans Charge with Mauling Golver and his Teenage Son by Barako Brew

Public servant power by Mon Casiple

How NOT To Play ‘Spin Doctor’ on Blogs [The Pangandaman Golf-Mauling Incident] by Ely

Nasser Pangandaman Mauls a Father and His 14-year-old Son? by Pinoy Copywriter

UNLUCKY by the Professional Heckler

Comment: Nasser Pangandaman Jr.: The warlord of Masiu

Character and Abuse of Power by Congressman Ruffy Biazon

Arrogrance on Naked Display by the Unlawyer

Power and Humanity by Nick, Filipino Voices

Valley Golf Guards Report: Pangandaman Security Men Drew Guns on Dela Pazes- Incident Report from Valley Golf & Country Club

From Traditional Media

DAR chief’s son, 5 bodyguards face charges for alleged mauling of 2 golfers from GMAnews.tv

DAR chief’s son tagged in golf attack from Inquirer

DAR chief, son face complaints for allegedly mauling golfers from ABS CBN

Gov’t peace negotiator, son face mauling raps from ABS CBN (with video)

Kalihim ni Arroyo inakusahang nanggulpi sa golf course sa Antipolo from Gmanews.tv

MAG-AMA BINUGBOG NG ANAK NG DAR CHIEF from Abante Tonite

DAR chief, mayor son tagged in beating by Philippine Star

‘KAMI ANG SINUGOD AT SINAKTAN!’ from Abante

DAR chief readies suit vs son’s accusers from Inquirer

Charges readied vs DAR chief’s son by Inquirer

Pangandamans accused of mauling; DAR Sec says “my son was attacked first” by Minda News

Golf club suspends DAR chief over brawl

DOJ told to probe DAR chief, son over golf course ‘scuffle’ by GMA

Cops frustrated over golf club’s silence by Inquirer

Golf mauling sparks blog outrage by Inquirer

Mayor Pangandaman accused of mauling from The Mindanao Daily Mirror

Cabinet official, two sons rapped for mauling golfer from Manila Standard Today

Pangandamans to shed light on golf mauling from Manila Bulletin Online

Why GMA must fire DAR Sec. Nasser Pangandaman Sr. By William M. Esposo from Philippine Star

Barbarians on the green - an editorial of Philippine Daily Inquirer, December 29, 2008.

Dela Paz blog on brawl heats up Net from Philippine Daily Inquirer

“Hindi mo ba ko kilala?” by Ernesto Herrera

Second class citizens? Ramon Tulfo , Philippine Daily Inquirer, December 30, 2008

Valley Golf vows firm, fair action from Philippine Daily Inquirer, December 31

Abuse of power by Amando Doronilla, Opinion Column of Philippine Daily Inquirer, December 31

Farmers join quit call for DAR chief, Philippine Daily Inquirer, December 31

DoJ should have probe results fast By Belinda Olivares-Cunanan, Philippine Daily Inquirer, December 31

Pangandamans’ ‘sober image’ soiled By Ryan Rosauro, Mindanao Bureau by Philippine Daily Inquirer

Farmers go online to oust DAR chief Philippine Daily Inquirer, January 2, 2009

Dela Paz’s daughter asks NBI: Don’t be swayed by influence , ABS CBN News, January 2, 2009

DAR chief: Don’t condemn my family Philippine Daily Inquirer, January 2, 2009

Clawless opinion, Philippine Daily Inquirer, January 2

Criminal raps filed vs DAR chief’s sons, bodyguards, GMA News, January 5

Pangandaman kin face child abuse, injury raps over golf ‘brawl’ ABS CBN, January 5

Is this guy for real? by Bong Austero, Manila Standard, January 5

A challenge to Bambee de la Paz and other bloggers, by Carlos Conde, GMA News Blog, January 5, 2009

Blog Power, by Amando Doronilla, Inquirer, January 7, 2009

Videos

Mayor Nasser Pangandaman Jr. and bodyguards mauls golfers while Cabinet secretary just looks on, ABS CBN TV Patrol, December 27, 2008

Youtube video of Mayor Nasser Pangandaman Jr. and bodyguards mauls golfers TV Patrol, December 28

Youtube video – TV Patrol, December 29

From Gma News (Video)

December 29 news video from GMA

DZMM Radio interview on the side of Mayor Pamandangan

MAYOR NASSER PANGANDAMAN JR. – HIS SIDE OF THE STORY, Radio Interview, January 2, 2009

Dela Paz family narrates golf club encounter with DAR chief’s son ABS CBN News , January 2, 2009

De la Paz family traumatized by mauling incident involving DAR chief’s son, GMA News TV, January 2, 2009

SECRETARY NASSER PANGANDAMAN SR. “NO BRAWL HAPPENED???” *APPEAL TO BLOGGERS* ABS CBN, January 3, 2009

Other Websites

Lanao Mayor and DAR Secretary beat up 56 year old man and 14 year son on golf course at Pinoy Exchange Forums

KIKO TO DAR SECRETARY – INHIBIT SELF FROM SONS’ CASE, a Press Release

Second class citizens? (excerpt) by Ramon Tulfo

Online Petition for Pangandaman Resignation

From Pinoygolfer.com, a report from rge that he got facts from Valley Golf Fact Finding Committee Head, January 2, 2009

Foreign News

DAR chief’s mayor-son accused of mauling father, son in golf course from Manila (English version) from Manila Shimbun

Mayor Under Investigation After Allegedly Beating up Two Golfers from Fox News

Philippines politician under investigation after allegedly beating up two golfers from Agence France-Presse

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About Noemi Lardizabal-Dado

Noemi, Editor of Blog Watch and features editor of Philippine Online Chronicles is a 55 year old mother to three kids and is married to Atty. Luis H. Dado. She loves being a full time mother and homemaker after retiring as a Researcher/Consultant from the UP Institute for Small Scale Industries in 1987. Now that her children are all college graduates, she devotes her time to grief support, blogging, new media events and using her blogs to promote online advocacies. Her personal blog is at aboutmyrecovery.com, which garnered numerous awards such as Best Website, Blog Category during the 9th and 10th Philippine Web Awards. Her blog also won in the Blog- Personal Category of the DigitalFilipino.com Web Awards 2007 and Globelines Broadband Family Blog Award (in honor of family-oriented blogging) 2007 Philippine Blog Award. Globe also recognized her as Digital Elder in the 2009 Philippine Blog Award.

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  • http://aboutmyrecovery.com Noemi

    I have to thank everyone here for cooperating. Initially some of the comments were ethnic and religious bias. I have since then filtered/deleted those commetners that refuse to stick to the issue.

    If you see negative entries about me, remember I am NOT the issue. It is the child abuse and abuse of authority.

  • chuck

    jasper,

    ha! ha! ha!…..cute comment.

    it wasnt actually excessive force….more of excessive defense.

  • chuck

    jasper,

    ok yan, we need some light moments here from time to time.

    how about putting up a “war room” at all the country clubs?

  • http://aboutmyrecovery.com Noemi

    UPDATE:

    Incidentally Baycas, since you are stalking this thread and posting comments on every blog post, Manuel Viloria did not disclose in his current post that I had emailed him in 2007 about these issues and he said everything was okay and that we need not meet up. I have emails of this communication.

    Now look who is not disclosing?

    You took his bait.

    Remember folks, the issue is NOT about me. Bloggers will try to cloud the real issue. I am not afraid of libel suit. I am not afraid to stop blogging tomorrow because even if I retire from blogging I will still fight what is right and just.

    This blog entry is balanced and fair because of the other commenters here. Even Pulis na Pogi a staunch critic knows my stand from day 1. He respects my stand .

    Read more

    http://aboutmyrecovery.com/2009/01/11/mayor-nasser-pangandaman-files-libel-suit-against-blogger-bambee-de-la-paz/

  • jason Abalos

    I’m still in favor of getting this case settled in court. Criminal court that is. I wanted to see who’s the real victim here. As I’ve said, the culture of “Palakasan system” must be stop and I just hope that this is will be the turning point. I’m sure it will take only a short period of time for this particular case to be heard in court dahil parehong me pera yung mga litigants.

    Believed me, we can learn much more if they fight it out at all cost and hear some verdict but we can only hope that it would not end up in a whitewash nor some kind of settlement.

    Naomi:

    Just my two cents comment….De la Paz allegedly provoke the fight or confrontation. The mayor can only ignore him or face the challenge. Assuming, he did took the challenge by the older man and as you’ve mentioned, why use excessive force? It is a human nature to react on any given situation like this. He was allegedly approched by an agry Old man, poking him with a umbrella. The initial reaction is sack him where it hurts to minimize or even stop the attack. Here comes the angry 14 years old boy come to the aide of his father, swung a golf club at the mayor. Any normal human being, is not going to ask your age before you even hit back. i don’t know about you or the others, but I will not second guess what this kid can do to me.

    Sure, there is a violation of the anti child abuse law here, but as PNP said, this particular law has some flaws itself and should be amended. The court should decide that beyond reasonable doubt. Each and everyone has the right to defend themselves and I think the mayor is just being defensive.

  • pulis na pogi

    arekupo! wag po wag po! bakit ako nadamay dito? wala po akong kasalanan! sa presinto na lang ako magpapaliwanag?

    kaya pala nakagat ko dila ko…

    hehehe. magandang hapon po!

  • C. Vista

    OK Chuck I may accept it but one more thing, in my status, the phrase “willing to learn” is not the right word for me. And I dont see any point that I’m not constructive. I believe I’ve been constructive all the time. The way you sound seems you’re telling me that I don’t know what I’m doing. In a blog, you may disagree but Pls avoid being “Mr Right” directly to a person just concentrate on the topic, OK?.

    BTW, congratulations Noemi as part of guest of ANC. I myself was a guest in Channel News Asia-Singapore before. The crew went to our house in Makati.

  • C. Vista

    Chuck,

    Pangandamans should have called it quits, OK na sana kung hindi pa sana tumawag pa ng miyembro ng familya na mey dala pa ng baseball bat at kutsilyo si dela Paz,.. at OK din na sana kung hindi na lang siya tumawag key Atty Fortun.

    That is not a sign of mayaman, baguhan siguro sa larangan ng kasalapian. Nag improve ang bulsa pero ang utak hindi.

    Analogy lang, parang Gaza si Dela Paz na nag fire ng Rocket sa Israel, eh bumawi si Pangandaman na parang Israel.

    Napaka linaw pare, kahit balibaligtarin mo mundo. I even heard that from one of the columnists of PhilStar na si Dela Paz talaga ang nag simula. Being in the cabinet or any government position is beyond the point pare…. you are in a golf course and out of the office. Eh kung ganun, paki alaman na rin ang business ni Dela Paz and tangaling sa Jun Golf ang mga anak niya dahil sa kaguluhang eto, bad image to local and international sports. Sa stilo ni dela paz, he cannot be part of the inner circle, he should took it as an opportunity to increase his network of friends, malay niya maging sponsor pa ng JunGolf ng mga anak niya.

    Tayo naman mga lalake na pag daanan naman natin ang mga suntukan diba noong kabataan? Mas grabe pa! Noong elem and high school , nakakaaway pa ang mga anak ng navy rear admiral natin at anak ng executive sec ni Marcos, OK lang sa mga bodyguard, walang demandahan kahit dugodugo pa mga ilong at labi namin. Bakit nag datingan ba mga parents namin, its part of growing up.

    During Marcos time, My brother and a son of a military general nag sagupa dahil sa kotse, nagsumbong ang anak sa tatay niyang general at pinadampot ang kapatid ko sa mga bodyguards. Siyempre helpless kami, my father did not file any complaints instead, called Malacanang and ask the help of the President, ayun eh di tapos at naging barkada pa at kaibigan ang familya ng general. My point here, you can actually refer to the highest authority, si GMA, any senator peace kaagad yan at palagay ko imbitahin ka lagi ni Pangandaman…

    The bottom line of this case, only the Law Offices of both sides will gain. They will only complicate and prolong the matter, suntukan lang yan. Of course the bodyguards are there as protocol, they are meant and trained to protect their bosses.

  • chuck

    c. vista,

    noted and will respect the comment and its source.

    take the phrase “willing to learn” as something that applicable to everyone, not just to you or me…i’ve always taken day-to-day life as an opportunity to learn something.

    dont get me wrong on the term “constructive.”….from this exchange of opinions, am sure that you are, and i look forward to further discussion.

    mr. right? never claimed to be that…..am just a guy willing to share an opinion.

    ok?

  • chuck

    c. vista,

    i follow your analogy.

    oo nga naman, it was different before, there was a greater sense of understanding then.

    do you think that its a indication of social / moral decay in this country?

  • http://aboutmyrecovery.com Noemi

    kasi we all agree to disagree in a respectful manner.

  • chuck

    noemi,

    ganoon na nga….

  • http://aboutmyrecovery.com Noemi

    one thing for sure we all agree to disagree

    Cool, C Vista. It is my 4th appearance in ANC as far as I recall.

  • C. Vista

    No prob Chuck, peace to you….

  • C. Vista

    Chuck, social and moral decay? yes, we have forgotten these terms already in our society. Legal is not the solution to every problem in our country, just like whats going on with the 2 families, Pangandaman and Dela Paz, it should be the social and moral aspect that should solve both parties.

    Social and Moral will prosper the understanding, patience and creat bridge between the rich and poor plus the fear of God then every person regardless of status will become equal.

    I went in favor of the Pangandamans based on the sequences of the incident as well as the characters of both parties, although I didn’ say the Pangadamans are good people, both are good actually, probably can’t handle this type of pressure particularly on the Dela Pazes.

    I also set aside their titles in life (i.e. Mayor, Sec, golfers, businessmen) as you said, applied more on the social and moral aspect of it. Nawala ang understanding, patience and respect sa bawat isat isa. Ang masaklap diyan, eh baka kasisimba lang ng mga dela paz nung Pasko, nawala ang moralidad na tinuro ng simbahan, good for 2 hours lang pala yun. Well, Muslim naman yung kabila.

    Siyempre yung offense ang mas matindi na kagaya ng ginawa ng mga dela paz, sila talaga ang nagsimula, no need to wait for the legal reports. Ika nga, madali gumawa ng away pero mahirap labasan yan pag nasimulan na. Humility from both parties can solve the problem, papayamin lang nila ang mga attornees nila……

    Noemi, do you have another topic, like about the impeachment of Justice Puno? This pulbic servant is really good, his type is very rare in the government service.

  • jason Abalos

    The table is now turning in favor of the Pangandaman……We can now see the light at the end of the tunnel…..Vindication time, sort of.

  • chuck

    c. vista,

    ganoon nga…..sana nga we could just let these old farts settle their differences “old school”…..lock them in the cr then let them work out their anger…the fewer hotheads we have in society, the better for all of us.

    whats worrisome about the whole situation is that (and am sure you will agree), this isnt the only case….we gotta go back to our roots in terms of morals….imagine if you will similar incidents multiplied ___x times….wheew!

    yung kay justice puno? i smell politics, pero we dont have the full facts yet, do we?

    live long and prosper…

  • chuck

    hi jason,

    if both are penalized, as in the case of the valley golf ruling, wouldnt you call that fair vindication?

    based on whats now come out, the trigger behind the incident was already pinpointed in the report, as well as other parties with varying degrees of offense.

    kung di lang mga mayayaman ito, kung away magkapitbahay, siguro hanggang opisina ng kapitan del baryo lang ito….at malamang napagalitan pa sila pareho.

  • C. Vista

    Chuck, social and moral decay? yes, we have forgotten these terms already in our society. Legal is not the solution to every problem in our country, just like what’s going on with the 2 families, Pangandaman and Dela Paz. The social and moral aspect that is lacking to solve both parties.

    Social and Moral will prosper the understanding, patience, humility and create bridge between the rich and poor and particularly, fear of God, then, every person regardless of status will become equal.

    I went in favor of the Pangandamans based on the sequences of the incident as well as the characters of both parties, no need to wait for the formal report from the legal. Although, I didn’t say the Pangandamans are the good buys, probably both are good, just they don’t know how to handle such pressure like this. I also set aside their titles in life (i.e. Mayor, Sec, golfers, businessman) as you said, applied more on the social and moral aspect of it. Nawala ang understanding, patience and respect sa bawat isat isa, nangibabaw ang kayabangan. But the culprit pa rin are the dela paz, being the offender, while Pangandamans defended vigorously, parang Gaza-Israel. Who cares about the ages of the participants in a free for all or rumble unless below 5 feet tall.

    Madali lang pumasok sa away, anytime yan pwede, ang problema paano ka lalabas pag nasimulan na. The Law offices will only gain in this battle kahit meron ng verdict it will not guarantee you the exit. Pero kung meron humility on both parties, the problem could have been solved right there and there at the fairways, baka sa hole 5 pa lang tapos na ang prob.

  • C. Vista

    About Puno, we have the full facts in the newspapers already just a matter of consolidating it and identify the point of discussion. Parang tumaas tayo ng level dito kasi its a national issue na. Yung VGC rumble (not mauling to me) pwede na sa barangay level lang …..dapat kasi sa Barangay Hall muna yun na ayos katapat ang kapitan and mga kagawad sa peace and order at sports…. hehehehe

  • chuck

    c. vista,

    yung sa VGC rumble, turning out nga na mas nakakahiya kesa nakakainis….kung ako nga ang barangay kapitan, baka batukan ko pa yung dalawa for dragging the neighbors into it….para bang straight out of a tito, vic & joey movie….ngek!!

    yung tungkol kay puno, i really smell political agenda.

  • C. Vista

    Thats great, it seems you belong to a prominent name or in media?

  • C. Vista

    Congratulations Noemi, thats good 4 times been a guest? probably you belong to a prominent name or a media figure?

  • C. Vista

    chuck

    you are right, dapat nga ganun lang ang handling ng case, pang batukan lang, kapitan at tanod lang ang aareglo hehehe. Keso eto si Atty fortun pansin niyo? wala ng makita kung di yung tirahin ang government position ni Sec and the youth involvement of 14 yrs old, just to sensationalize for media mileage para naman pogi points uli sa Law Office nila, aba’y per ora ata ang rate ng fee nyan…….

    Just to share again, OK lang? In reality specially a golf player, can actually look like 10 yrs older than his age because of the effect of the sun rays, nakakatanda ang laro ng Golf bcoz of the exposure in the sun, therefore si Bino can look like in the 20s….Sorry kung napatulan siya, kasi rumble yun…Member ako ng Frat, Tau Gamma Phi, from the age of 13 during high school to college, basta rumble lahat dampot wala ng tanungan kung ilan taon ka kahit ang naka sapak sa iyo ay nasa 20s na until that Pangilinana Law na yan….. With all the experiences that I had, I became a better person and a good father to my children……. Ayaw mo ng pasukin uli pag na experience mo na yan…..

    Just a tooth,,,,

  • ali bubot

    hoy jun santos

    Ikaw naman Dong basta tumulong malaking bagay na yan.Sino ang plitician di kurakot sabihin mo,Makatanggap ka sa akin ng pabuya.

  • Jasper

    see, the flame is out…now it turn cold

    life moves on

  • http://aboutmyrecovery.com Noemi

    Here is Media in Focus video on “de la Paz and Blogging”

    http://aboutmyrecovery.com/2009/01/15/media-in-focus-on-de-la-paz-blogging/

    Guests include, Carlo Conde, Daniel Arana Arao (Assistant Professor of Journalism in UP), Atty JJ Disini, Councilor JC de los Reyes and yours truly.

  • chuck

    jasper.

    he he ….dont be too sure….flame’s not really out, just waiting for some intelligent conversation.

  • Jasper

    Waiting for what exactly?..hehe Constant battering on academics to extract favourable outcome would prove barely, minimally if at all, beneficial. There is no logical and justifiable form of deliberation when regretful actions are carried out during the height of anger. It is simply idiotic(at best i.e. some would consider that a credit..hehe) to expound such uncivilised character manifestion, irregardless of social circumstance.

    Viewed in equal weight, mayor or not, or well-off bussinessman or not, the latter is just fishing out excuses while the former act in conditioned reason, disproportionate or not..again try not to mess my hair..hehe..or else you’ll find out disproportionally first-hand..hehe.

    And no matter how the case goes sideways to exact revenge(poor kid, silly dad) or to tenderly comfort the unfortunate/disavantaged old man from the scorns of his action(s), there is no reprieve from the world of common sense.

    So next time when you blow your top..don’t make hasty moves..hehe ..look around you and give it a pause..and think to yourself(there are times when you have to think for your kids too)…Am I really that invincible?
    Which reminds me of owning glass houses..hmm..and throwing stones..ring a bell?hmm

    Surely I would not dare sticking an umbrella onto Manny Pacqiuao..or even make instigating insult/in-your-face remark of his command of the English language..especially if I’m favoured near his left arm. Would you brave it?hehe

  • chuck

    jasper,

    correct ka dyan….nobody is invincible….kahit si goliath natalo kay david….si foreman natalo ni ali….ang crispa natalo ng mariwasa.

  • Jasper

    chucky, mamen.. thanks for pointing out the biblical and historical precedences…hehe..

    although i have initial reservation(s) to the one who started this blog, of what was the honest intent to begin with, i would rather keep it to myself and leave a parting thought that sometimes when one swallows a pill..at least take the nominal effort to check the label and save us all from burnt marks..ouch

  • pulis na pogi

    wow, bumanat si alex magno. have you read it?

  • http://aboutmyrecovery.com Noemi

    Yes I read it. TO be fair, Alex Magno raises many valid points how some bloggers took all the facts in “hook-line-and-sinker.” same with mainstream media. Fortunately I didn’t make sweeping statements on the Pangandamans. I even asked for their side.

    However, Alex is living in a box and does not understand the nature of blogging. Blogging enables the commenters like you to fill in the late breaking details as they filter in, with the full picture being painted not by one author but a ‘collective.’

  • cvista

    Here is his column dtd Ja. 20, 2009. Hope this will put closure on how we judge both paries. So sad about blogging but I agree as qouted,

    “Some have taken this as a license for irresponsible commentary.”

    All also some media people who bring out stories and news without investigation or getting all the facts, that is also sad to our Phil Press/ Media of today basta lang maka submit ng column on the deadline.

    Self-regulation
    FIRST PERSON By Alex Magno Updated January 20, 2009 12:00 AM

    It was every professional journalist’s nightmare: bloggers taking over a story, running it without the facts, twisting it with the standard emotions of the moment, and, soon enough, a lynching mob set loose on cyberspace.

    After that bizarre brawl the day after Christmas at the Valley Golf Club, the first recounting of the incident on the internet was done by a party to the incident. Bambee de la Paz’s version of the incident involving members of her family and the Pangandamans, was hysterical, agitated, foul-mouthed and, and subsequent investigation of the affair proved, grossly inaccurate.

    Grossly inaccurate is, in fact, an understatement. She attributed to Sec. Nasser Pangandaman a statement seeping with hubris: Kilala mo ba ako?

    As every witness to the event testified, it was not the Agrarian Reform secretary who made that statement. It was made by Delfin de la Paz as he poked Pangandaman’s son with an umbrella. This was after the younger Pangandaman graciously allowed the de la Paz’s to overtake them on the course.

    Bloggers of every stripe were soon on the case, none with any careful inquiry into what actually happened. They took Bambee de la Paz’s version of what happened hook, line and sinker. All of them were entrapped in the powerful narrative of the powerful inflicting themselves on the powerless.

    Soon, that standard narrative flowed out of cyberspace and spilled into the old media. Broadcasters and newspaper commentators were soon echoing the Bambee line and crucifying the Pangandamans.

    It was bad enough that there was so much irresponsibility in the blogs. What was worse was when journalists echoed the unverified version on the blogs and jumped on the case with the same gross irresponsibility. Indeed, with the same unrestrained commentary that used to be the domain only of the most obnoxious bloggers.

    Last week, the Valley Golf Club released its decision on the incident after careful investigation of all the witnesses. The conclusion reached was that the unseemly brawl in the golf course was caused by Delfin de la Paz and aggravated by his children.

    The de la Paz family was banned from the course for life. Secretary Pangandaman’s two sons were likewise banned. The Secretary himself, a member of that golf club, was suspended for two years because his guests were involved in the brawl.

    Most golfers agree with the wisdom of the Valley Golf Club’s decision.

    The first time I heard about the incident and read the first commentaries on the internet, including Bambee de la Paz’s, I felt there was something odd about the initial version of what happened. As a golfer myself, I know that there is really no way a flight of players playing in front could possibly aggravate the flight behind them. It is the flight behind that could aggravate the ones in front: which is by hitting balls before the fairway was clear.

    Hitting balls while the fore players were still within range is the most indecent thing a golfer could do on the course. It is not only impolite. It is dangerous. Golf balls hit from the tee could maim or even kill a player on the fairway.

    As the investigation did reveal, the de la Pazes hit balls at the Pangandamans. That act alone merits suspension at the very least. Pangandaman Jr., instead of complaining about the indecency of the de la Pazes in fact allowed them to play through. But instead of thanking Pangandaman Jr. for the gracious act, Delfin de la Paz verbally assaulted them and then poked an umbrella.

    I played Nasser Pangandaman several times. He is a low key person and is a happy golfer if there ever was one. Bambee’s inaccurate version of what happened was entirely out of character.

    On the other hand, many golfers and a few golf course employees I have talked to felt that Valley Golf Club’s findings about Delfin de la Paz’s reported behavior was completely in character. The fellow apparently has not endeared himself to caddies and other players.

    Going back to the issue I began with: in the light of Valley Golf Club’s findings, some of the journalists who had joined the bandwagon of hate against the Pangandamans have gone on record apologizing for coming on the case without the facts. Some apologized in their columns, others on a number of broadcast programs.

    What I have not seen is a single ranting blogger from that lynching mob on the internet writing an apology for arriving at wrong conclusions in the absence of the facts.

    In the “old” media, there are mechanisms in place that restrain professional journalists from going on an irresponsible binge. They may be imperfect mechanisms, but they are there. Anyone unfairly treated has some avenue of recourse.

    To deserve their freedoms, the “old” media has mechanisms of self-regulation in addition to the code of ethics journalists are expected by their peers to live by. When, as in the Valley golf case, journalists and commentators were clearly misled, they apologize.

    There is also the rule of equal space. Journalists as a matter of standard procedure should try to get the other party’s version of events. Or else, they are entitled to equal airing of their side when the main story if slanted to favor one side.

    There are no such mechanism of restraint in “blogosphere.” Most of the bloggers hide under pseudonyms and are not answerable to editorial boards. Some have taken this as a license for irresponsible commentary.

    But that should no be the case. The citizens of cyberspace should assume the responsibility for self-regulation either by criticizing an offensive and unfair commentary, by checking the facts themselves and by refusing to pass on irresponsible content. The freedom in this sphere can be deserved only if its citizens are vigilant on the side of fairness.

  • cvista

    Yaan mo na si Mr Magno, Noemi, I believe he read our comments before bringing out his article. Kasi parang na basa niya yung sa akin taht gave him the idea na in a golf course, there is no way you will instigate a fight when your golf flight is in front but to defend from the flight behind you…..golf balls can kill people that is a crime of the dela paz also considered by the VGC. They were hitting the balls within the range of the Pangandamans including the 8yr old son. When my father was hit in the forehead by a golf ball, he was immediately rush to the hospital, ganun ka tindi ang nyan.

  • http://aboutmyrecovery.com Noemi

    Like I told Pulis na Pogi, Alex Magno makes some valid points only because some facts were not brought in. However, let me quote a blogger friend , Ding Gagelonia

    http://midfield.wordpress.com/2009/01/20/castigating-bloggers/

    In terms of him tracking the slant of the ‘thread openers’in the flood of blog ‘reports’, Mr. Margo is correct.

    Magno fails, however, to understand ‘the nature of the beast’ in this brave new world of blogging.

    Magno does not realize that the reportage in blogging enables the commenters to fill in the late breaking details as they filter in, with the full picture being painted not by one author but a ‘collective.’

  • cvista

    That is correct, but let his opinion or observation come through and not to put so much weight on that, not worth it to have another discussion about him. He won’t mind whatever criticism we throw on him.

  • jason Abalos

    Yan ang sinasabi ko. Self distruct tayong mga pinoy dahil emotion ang pina iiral kaya sa huli pag nadapa masyadong malalim ang sugat. Mr magno has the valid point. Bloging is simply no competition for the accused individual. Yung ibang blogger hatred lang ang nasa puso at nag hahanap ng kakampi sa kanila like of course Bambee. Parang senado at kongreso, hindi dinadaan sa tamang proseso ang mga bagay na dapat ay sa korte lang ang way at hindi kung saan saan. Peace and I’m out….

  • pulis na pogi

    noemi,

    http://www.filipinovoices.com/resolving-the-golfing-melee-a-lesson-in-gmrc

    may i invite you to end portion of mr gagelonia’s article where i believed, i totally trashed his line of reasoning. he is reechoing in that @midfield article his indefensible arguments, specifically about that “alleged armed bodyguard.”

    let me quote in toto my last arguments to him regarding this:

    “Lawyer Raymond Fortun, the dela Paz family’s attorney, said Masiu, Lanao del Sur Mayor Nasser Pangandaman Jr., his brother, Hussein, are facing two counts of slight physical injuries and two counts of child abuse for mauling dela Paz and his 14-year-old son, Bino, over a golf course altercation.

    Three of the Pangandamans’ bodyguards were charged with one count of slight physical injury. The criminal complaints were filed before the Antipolo City prosecutor’s office.”

    nasan ang mga baril na sinasabi mo na “pointing menacingly”? don’t tell me na nabobo na si fortun? kung may ginamit na baril dyan, dapat may grave threat pa. knowing fortun, baka nga kargahan nya pa yan ng attempted homicide or attempted murder.

    i believe i learned something new in this incident: once a blogger had taken a stand, it is easier to defend the indefensible rather than apologize and make a turn around.

  • cvista

    Before I went on the air on this case, I tried to get some facts about the case because something strange about Bambee’s blog, it came out prematurely, exagerated and the stories told seems inconsistent with the Photos….. injuries are too light for mauling.

    Why columnists apologized to the Pangandamans after they heard the truth from the witnesses (i.e. caddies, waiters, etc)? Why the VGC expelled the Dela Paz without respect to the children who are competitive golfers? Why Pangandamans did n’t make the first move to file a case? Because its just a petty incident for them until the old dela Paz called on tbe baseball batter relatives and the knife weilding wife including the high paying Atty. thus, bodyguards reacted defensively as what they are meant for.

    Peace and Happy New Year

  • Rick

    When I first seen the news, I don’t believe that Old DelaPaz would instigate the fight due to :

    1) He is quite old “56 yrs old” that can handle the situation well as a more matured educated person.

    2) He has to protect his children by ensuring violent acts only worsen the situation.

    3) Dela Paz are outnumbered and for sure if commotion happens they will only get beaten and no one is so foolish to bully people.

    But after the released of the VGC reports, the way I looked at the situation changes completely.

    1) Old Dela Paz instigated the fight to prove to Pangandamans that he is well known (by saying kilala mo ba ako!) and tough (by using his umbrella to prove to Pangandamans that he also know how to use umbrella other than as a shed- but no one is afraid of umbrella Mr. Old Delapaz). But atleast, when Old delapaz instigated the fight, he succeeded for his dream to become known for atleast the current generation even as a loser kind of bull when the news came out and he also let known atleast within the Philippines that he is really an elite that can hire an expensive lawyer, it is a sign of warning that whoever beats him like Pangandamans should face a good lawyer like fortun.

    2) That I maybe made a mistake for thinking that no one is so foolish for his age to start the fight, but find there is always an exception as there was one….

    3) Since old Delapaz had instigated the fight, he is obviously also responsible for whatever outcome…

    The bottom line, even Old Dela Paz lose this case, he is probably contented by atleast achieving his long awaited dream (for atleast 50 years) to become well known to the Public as a rich person who can hire a good lawyer like Fortun and knows how to use umbrella other that its real purpose (but unfortunately beaten by Pangandamans who were not impressed for his umbrella fighting skills demo).

    But I still want to change the way I look at the case right now, so I wanted to see a fair trial to prove that the whole truth is yet to come.

  • chuck

    Rick,

    Ha ha ha……nice one Rick.

    Well yeah, I guess everyone is entitled to his moment in the limelight, or 5 minutes of fame as some would have described it.

    I guess the Pangandamans should also be grateful to Mr. dela Paz. Isipin mo ha, libreng publicity which should be helpful in the next election.

    Noemi,

    Wala ba blog about pre-need? I think we should discuss this, ang daming nabiktima.

  • cvista

    Are you saying that Dela Paz should now have an anniversary for this to celebrate.. using umbrellas as his give aways… hehehe

    maybe he can put up a business like Dela paz umbrella company.. he may invent a convertible golf driver into umbrella or putter to umbrella.. hehehe…. why not??????????……..

    Probably this incident has a purpose…..

  • chuck

    cvista,

    ha, ha, ha…..nice one, always enjoy your wit.

    hmmmmm, yes….the umbrella industry may have found a spokesman.

    likewise, the pangandaman boys could end up as poster boys for charm school or the pr industry when their political careers are over.

    sabi nga nila, there’s always a slot somehow for everybody…

    best regards.

  • cvista

    Pangandamans can market for more buyers of the golf cart, they demonstrated it on how to use it when you are late in a golf flight.

    one of their custromers are the dela paz family…… so that they don’t need to open their umbrellas anymore while on the on fairways, just point it na lang………..hehehe

  • chuck

    cvista,

    henyo ka talaga my friend.

    sabi ko nga sayo na something good would happen from this…..di may 2nd career na sila.

  • cvista

    Hey Chuck, im glad that you’re always online. Ganyan talaga ako, lumalabas ang mga kalokohan ko kung wala akong magawa…….

  • chuck

    cvista,

    always pays to stay in touch and updated…..

    ….mukhang at this point, this topic is almost dead na except for a comment every now and then….i really hope this comes to a mutually satisfying conclusion dahil sa panahon ngayon, we could do with less conflicts.

    am pre-occupied with helping parents victimized by all these pre-need educational plan scams (Pacific, CAP and now Legacy)….kawawa talaga itong mga magulang at bata because of either the incompetence or corporate greed by people otherwise known as honorable…it really sucks my friend.

  • http://www.pastranafallar.com Ted Pastrana

    Hello Noemi,

    I have been following various discussions on this topic for sometime but never bothered to leave a comment. My research on this matter led me to various blogs including yours (which incidentally prompted me to write one myself).

    I chose to do so now that the issue has died down, hoping that I would be able to convey to you what really transpired. I won’t dwell on details, but I can assure you that there was no “child abuse” and no “abuse of authority” either. I wonder though if you would be prepared to hear it from the lawyer of the party concerned. Just the same, I wish you and your husband (I believe I know him personally) all the best.

  • http://aboutmyrecovery.com Noemi

    Hi Ted

    Thanks for the visit. I understand you are one of the Pangandaman’s lawyers. Is there a preliminary hearing already? I ‘d be interested to hear their side and see how it cannot be child abuse inspite of the injuries on Bino. Same with abuse of authority/

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