27Dec 2008

Mayor Nasser Pangandaman Jr. (DAR chief’s son) Mauled A Father & Son at Valley Golf and Country Club

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January 5- News update Pangandaman kin face child abuse, injury raps over golf ‘brawl’ and Pangandamans file countersuit over golf brawl.

Check out the Online Petition for Pangandamans’ Resignation

(Update December 29- View the news video from GMA News as Bino, the 14 year-old cries on TV )

As soon as Caffeine Sparks plurked the GMAnews.tv report of DAR chief, mayor son accused of mauling golfers in Antipolo ( ABS-CBN has this news report), I read it immediately together with the blog post of Bambee de la Paz where she relates that

The world has gone crazy. Two politicians beat up a defenseless 56-year-old father and his 14-year-old son. At a golf course. I swear to God, I thought golfers were decent people. You would think politicians were decent people. I guess not. I guess they gang up on 56-year-old men and beat up pleading 14-year-old kids.

I don’t have a father anymore and my son would have been around the age of the 14 year old boy so my heart just went out to both father and son as Bambee describes how they were beaten up. I mean, wouldn’t you feel the same way if that was your father and brother or son? Yes, it could happen to you too.

(Photo credit to abs-cbnnews.com video)

Basing it on Bambee’s first person account, her 14 year old brother pleaded to Nasser Pangandaman Jr., mayor of Masiu in Lanao del Sur to please stop hitting his dad but what did the powerful Mayor do?

Photo screen cap taken from this GMA news video

The mayor looks at my brother, point to his face, and says, “Tatandaan kita!” And he tells me that my brother has a bad attitude and that I need to watch him. WHAT THE HELL?! So, my brother’s bad for defending his father?!

The de la paz family left the golf court but the powerful mayor Pangandaman was not contented:

We leave. We walk to the clubhouse to file a complaint. My brother asks for a doctor. My dad could barely walk. Their group comes to the clubhouse, sees my brother. Once again my brother pleads, says sorry, and is crying. He was CRYING, for crissakes. But no. The relentless mayor still punches him in the face, and then sees my dad and goes after my dad again. Him and his friend pull my dad to the ground, pulls at his feet, and steps on him like he’s dirt. I run to him and try to hold him back, holding him back by his shirt, while this other guy and this girl tries to stop me. She tells me to just stop it. I scream in her face “they’re beating my father up and you want me to stop?!” I pull at his shirt–I don’t let go. All I can see was my dad being trampled on. I didn’t even see my brother getting beat up.

Oh and to add injustice to everything:

1. Security personnel of the Valley Golf and Country Club in Antipolo tells them “umuwi na kayo, napakalaking tao ‘yan (just go home, you’re messing with big personalities here).”

None of the security guards at the clubhouse even tried to stop the fight and that other personnel reportedly told refused to cooperate when they asked for the names of the Pangandamans’ companions.

2. Though the DAR chief did not participate in the mauling, he just watched. He watched two of his sons, as we figured out, the other guy was his son, too, beat up my father and my 14-year-old brother. He didn’t do anything to stop it. And this person is what now? A cabinet member. A politician.

3. Mayor Pangandaman filed with the Mayamot police station in Antipolo a counter-complaint of physical injuries and grave threats against the dela Paz father and son.

Imagine the nerve.

Watch video here of 14 year old Bino as he tearfully recounts his ordeal

Yes, I understand there are two sides of the story and I’d like to hear the mayor’s side in explaining how he could beat up a kid and a much older guy not ONCE but TWICE. My husband confirmed the mauling incident through a member from the golf club. (update: Check the Incident Report from Valley Golf Club). Ade’s sister is a friend of Bambee de la Paz. I want to hear the mayor’s side and why his father (a Peacemaker appointee) looked the other way. I’d like to know why the mayor should not be charged for violating the RA 7610, the anti-child abuse law. I wonder if the Valley Golf club is also a party to the violation of the Anti-child Abuse law after they failed to give them further protection accorded to member’s minor child. (Update : Their side reported from Inquirer’s DAR chief readies suit vs son’s accusers )

The father talks about the traumatic ordeal of his son in an interview with Philippine Star :

“Aside from the bruises, he has been traumatized. He does not want to go to a golf course anymore,” De la Paz told The STAR in a phone interview.

“In his little way, my son has brought honor to our country in winning some medals and trophies in international tournaments,” he said.

I understand Bambee’s anger when she says “The world has gone crazy” and I fervently hope that justice be given not only to them but to all other farmers over land reform issues.
(Photo credit of the son Bino De La Paz, the father, Delfin De La Paz , Bambee De La Paz to abs-cbnnews.com video)

Bambee closes her entry with Please pray for my dad, my brother and for my whole family. Please pray that we get JUSTICE. Oh God, please, give these people what they deserve.

I know it might seem such a daunting task to tackle this issue alone but What can you do about it?. For now, let’s keep it simple.

1. Blog an entry about this incident.

2. Please Digg This.

3. Email your friends about Bambee’s entry, The World has Gone Crazy

Related Blog Entries (from oldest to current posts)

The World has Gone Crazy by Bambee de la Paz

Repost of Bambee’s post at Filipino Voices

Impunity and Golf By Caffeine Sparks

The World has Always Been Crazy, We Just Don’t Notice It: Mayor Beats Up 56 Year Old Man and 14 Year Old Boy by Ade

Golf, Guns, & Goons : Philippine Golf Horror Story by Joel Chua

Politicians Beat Up Defenseless Dad, 56, and Son, 14, Over Golf by Shari

Mayor of Lanao Del Sur Mauls Father and Son by Village Idiot Savant

DAR Secretary Nasser Pangandaman and Son maul 56-year-old Golfer and 14-year old Kid by Neil Es2pido

Irony to a Tee by Marck

With Great Power Comes Great IRresponsibility? by Jane

DAR Chief and Mayor of Masiu City Maul Helpless Dad and 14 yr old Son by Jepoy

These Bastards Have To Pay by Gerry Alanguilan

Politicians are the WORST. Stay away from them by Jen

Entitlement by Ia Lucero

A Dampener on the Season by Jonas Diego

crazy politicians by lalaine

Asshole Politicians Beat Up Father and Son Over Golf by Mad Cow Blues

Mayor Beats Up 56 Year Old Man and 14 Year Old Boy by BA Racoma

Mayor Nasser Pangandaman Jr. (son of DAR Chief) in Mauling Golfers in Antipolo by Dine Racoma

When A Family Golf Game Turns Ugly by Dementia

He Who Had Too Much Sense of Entitlement by Tess Termulo

Mayor, You’ve Been A Bad Boy! by Mark Bravo

You’re not Getting Away with This by Marcelle

Mayor Pangandaman Beats Up 56 year old man and his 14 year old son by Karla Redor

Potpourri II: The widening gyre

Of Thuggery and Courtesy Resignations by Ding G. Gagelonia

Politicians Maul Father & Son Over Golf by Regnard Raquedan

Philippine Mayor Beats Up Helpless Old Man Over Golf by Flisha

just a couple of days ago, sabi ko gusto ko maging pulitiko someday.

Blogs on Pangandaman

We haven’t really gone anywhere by Alex Maximo

Do Not Underestimate a Blogger: Bloggers Buzz Against the Injustice of a Mayor Nasser Pangandaman Jr. by cmaotaku

The “DVD” Side Of Philippine Politics by Dexie

Philippines: Uproar over mauling by mayor/son of Cabinet secretary by Global Voices

Ang Kapangahasan ng Isang Pulitiko by Fjordan

Mayor Nasser Pangandaman Jr. mauls golfers while father/Cabinet secretary just looks on by Tonyo Cruz

PANGANDAMNYOU: will GMA force Sec. Nasser Pangandaman to RESIGN? by Spanky

A Mindanaoan’s point of view on The Valley Golf Antipolo Controversy by Yolynne

Bully Foolitician Nasser Pangandaman Jr. by Pedestrian Observer

The Golf Incident: The Trouble with Mirrors by Juned

Masui Mayor beats up 56-yr-old man and 14-yr-old boy – another reason to oppose term extensions, no elections and Cha-Cha by Jhay Rocas

Pamandangan de Barbarian by Pao

Mayor and Bodyguards beat up 56 year-old man and 14 year old boy over GOLF by the_bumper_car

Not a Videogame This Time Folks by Rocky

DAR chief, son accused of mauling golfers in Antipolo by Jay-R

Local politicians maul a 56-year-old man and a 14-year-old boy by Lyn

Golfing with the Pangandaman…can hurt…(Repost of Bambee’s post) by lyn

Mayor and Bodyguards beat up 56 year-old man and 14 year old boy over GOLF by the_bumper_car

Impunity by Manolo Quezon

Mayor beats up 56-year-old man and 14-year-old boy… SHAME ON HIM. by Cheesy Chuckie

Of Golf, the Internet and Elites by Butch at Filipino Voices

Pangandaman and son display bad behavior by Arpee Lazaro

Nasser Pangandaman Jr.: The Warlord of Masiu by Carlos Conde of Pinoy Press

DAR chief’s son, 5 bodyguards face charges for alleged mauling of 2 golfers from Cotabato City News

Reports on DAR’s cheif son, Mayor Nasser Pangandaman’s Assult on Father & Son at Valley Golf & Country Club Antipolo by Brian Ong

Blog entry take your time to read this. these politicos need a REFORM. by xkeldax

Coming Up for Air….and bored by Jester in Exile

A Mauling Mayor from Lanao del Sur by Politekon

A Good Round Spoiled by Dr. M Bautista

Arroyo’s peace adviser merely watched his son’s mauling spree by Ellen Tordesillas

Pangandamans Charge with Mauling Golver and his Teenage Son by Barako Brew

Public servant power by Mon Casiple

How NOT To Play ‘Spin Doctor’ on Blogs [The Pangandaman Golf-Mauling Incident] by Ely

Nasser Pangandaman Mauls a Father and His 14-year-old Son? by Pinoy Copywriter

UNLUCKY by the Professional Heckler

Comment: Nasser Pangandaman Jr.: The warlord of Masiu

Character and Abuse of Power by Congressman Ruffy Biazon

Arrogrance on Naked Display by the Unlawyer

Power and Humanity by Nick, Filipino Voices

Valley Golf Guards Report: Pangandaman Security Men Drew Guns on Dela Pazes- Incident Report from Valley Golf & Country Club

From Traditional Media

DAR chief’s son, 5 bodyguards face charges for alleged mauling of 2 golfers from GMAnews.tv

DAR chief’s son tagged in golf attack from Inquirer

DAR chief, son face complaints for allegedly mauling golfers from ABS CBN

Gov’t peace negotiator, son face mauling raps from ABS CBN (with video)

Kalihim ni Arroyo inakusahang nanggulpi sa golf course sa Antipolo from Gmanews.tv

MAG-AMA BINUGBOG NG ANAK NG DAR CHIEF from Abante Tonite

DAR chief, mayor son tagged in beating by Philippine Star

‘KAMI ANG SINUGOD AT SINAKTAN!’ from Abante

DAR chief readies suit vs son’s accusers from Inquirer

Charges readied vs DAR chief’s son by Inquirer

Pangandamans accused of mauling; DAR Sec says “my son was attacked first” by Minda News

Golf club suspends DAR chief over brawl

DOJ told to probe DAR chief, son over golf course ‘scuffle’ by GMA

Cops frustrated over golf club’s silence by Inquirer

Golf mauling sparks blog outrage by Inquirer

Mayor Pangandaman accused of mauling from The Mindanao Daily Mirror

Cabinet official, two sons rapped for mauling golfer from Manila Standard Today

Pangandamans to shed light on golf mauling from Manila Bulletin Online

Why GMA must fire DAR Sec. Nasser Pangandaman Sr. By William M. Esposo from Philippine Star

Barbarians on the green - an editorial of Philippine Daily Inquirer, December 29, 2008.

Dela Paz blog on brawl heats up Net from Philippine Daily Inquirer

“Hindi mo ba ko kilala?” by Ernesto Herrera

Second class citizens? Ramon Tulfo , Philippine Daily Inquirer, December 30, 2008

Valley Golf vows firm, fair action from Philippine Daily Inquirer, December 31

Abuse of power by Amando Doronilla, Opinion Column of Philippine Daily Inquirer, December 31

Farmers join quit call for DAR chief, Philippine Daily Inquirer, December 31

DoJ should have probe results fast By Belinda Olivares-Cunanan, Philippine Daily Inquirer, December 31

Pangandamans’ ‘sober image’ soiled By Ryan Rosauro, Mindanao Bureau by Philippine Daily Inquirer

Farmers go online to oust DAR chief Philippine Daily Inquirer, January 2, 2009

Dela Paz’s daughter asks NBI: Don’t be swayed by influence , ABS CBN News, January 2, 2009

DAR chief: Don’t condemn my family Philippine Daily Inquirer, January 2, 2009

Clawless opinion, Philippine Daily Inquirer, January 2

Criminal raps filed vs DAR chief’s sons, bodyguards, GMA News, January 5

Pangandaman kin face child abuse, injury raps over golf ‘brawl’ ABS CBN, January 5

Is this guy for real? by Bong Austero, Manila Standard, January 5

A challenge to Bambee de la Paz and other bloggers, by Carlos Conde, GMA News Blog, January 5, 2009

Blog Power, by Amando Doronilla, Inquirer, January 7, 2009

Videos

Mayor Nasser Pangandaman Jr. and bodyguards mauls golfers while Cabinet secretary just looks on, ABS CBN TV Patrol, December 27, 2008

Youtube video of Mayor Nasser Pangandaman Jr. and bodyguards mauls golfers TV Patrol, December 28

Youtube video – TV Patrol, December 29

From Gma News (Video)

December 29 news video from GMA

DZMM Radio interview on the side of Mayor Pamandangan

MAYOR NASSER PANGANDAMAN JR. – HIS SIDE OF THE STORY, Radio Interview, January 2, 2009

Dela Paz family narrates golf club encounter with DAR chief’s son ABS CBN News , January 2, 2009

De la Paz family traumatized by mauling incident involving DAR chief’s son, GMA News TV, January 2, 2009

SECRETARY NASSER PANGANDAMAN SR. “NO BRAWL HAPPENED???” *APPEAL TO BLOGGERS* ABS CBN, January 3, 2009

Other Websites

Lanao Mayor and DAR Secretary beat up 56 year old man and 14 year son on golf course at Pinoy Exchange Forums

KIKO TO DAR SECRETARY – INHIBIT SELF FROM SONS’ CASE, a Press Release

Second class citizens? (excerpt) by Ramon Tulfo

Online Petition for Pangandaman Resignation

From Pinoygolfer.com, a report from rge that he got facts from Valley Golf Fact Finding Committee Head, January 2, 2009

Foreign News

DAR chief’s mayor-son accused of mauling father, son in golf course from Manila (English version) from Manila Shimbun

Mayor Under Investigation After Allegedly Beating up Two Golfers from Fox News

Philippines politician under investigation after allegedly beating up two golfers from Agence France-Presse

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pulis na pogi

hehe, i forgot all about that blog when i made it around 2 years ago. thanks for peeking on it.

about the pangilinan law, yes i think the pnp is already making its position known to sen pangilinan. during the interim, the law also gave rise to a very creative runaround conceived by a barangay captain: he organized his junor barangay tanods composed of “children” below 18 years old. these junior barangay tanods are the ones “unleased” against minor criminals. (personally, i do not approve of this method.)
bryan

even here in germany. kilala nang masamang tao yan si mayor pangandaman jr. ( it could be tsismis lang). this incident did’ nt surprise me at all. even de la paz being expelled, pangandaman is suspended. its a good thing lumabas agad sa media. dahil kung hindi they’r dead by now. sorry to say but you’re not getting any justice, not in your lifetime. that DOJ investigation is just a show.
http://aboutmyrecovery.com Noemi

good luck with the senator. Am sure your inputs will be taken to consideration.
Rick

Jason,

Yes, we are almost on the same page.

“when it comes to making a sound judgement by turning the other cheek around each time we smell trouble” as you mentioned is “holy” and I am not sure if I can do that since I am only human. But I would rather try to think of an alternative for the least evil effect. Like I previously mentioned if I were Old Dela Paz or Pangandaman.

You are right that the incident can be prevented but it seem that both parties ego wants to prove something beyond the spirit of golf and they got it!

I did not mention that Dela Paz is equally liable in putting his 14 years old son into this mess. Let me give an analogy that has always an effect in the interpretation of our law.

Case 1 : Supposed somebody’s driving a car in the Philippines then another car is fast approaching and bumps that 1st car in its back right side. Whose fault is it then? The 1st car or the 2nd car behind? The answer is the car behind that bumps the 1st car.

Case 2 : What if there is a 3rd car saw that fast approaching 2nd car is going to bump the 1st car? The driver of that 3rd car
is a son of the driver of the 1st car and so the 3rd car driver decided that in hope to stop the 2nd car to bump his Dad’s car, he then to drive faster and stepped ahead to cover his Dad’s car of which resulted that the 2nd car hits the 3rd car at its back side instead of the 1st car. Whose fault is it then? The answer is still the 2nd car.

Case 3: Another similar example: somebody again is driving a car in the Philippines then suddenly change its lane a little bit but failed to notice that there is a car behind that bumps the back right side of his car. Whose fault is it then?

Well the answer is depending in who is driving that 1st car. If he is honest, he will say it is my fault due to I change lane a little bit and did not notice the car behind him. BUT what if he’s not? Then he could use the law that it is the fault of the driver of the car behind him. The car at the back should exercise more due care because he sees very clearly the car in front of him. He bumps the car despite that he can see that there is a car in front of him. And if that 1st car brought the case to the court, he would surely wins because the damage shows that the second car hits the back side of the car. End of the story unfortunately.

Now lets go back to Pangandaman/DelaPaz situation. How could we know the whole facts? How could we relate it with the above 3 cases?

The answer is how truthful each of them to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth? So here comes the Liers (I mean the lawyers) to make the case stronger in favor of their clients, half truth must become the whole truth and nothing but the truth! Briefing…briefing then ready….

As you have mentioned, you will certainly not going to have anybody lay a hand on any member of my family. Young Dela Paz is no exception. In the newspapers, you can even read real crime events such as a little lad at the age of 6 tried to cover his mother so the criminal won’t hurt her mother further that sometimes ends up that child gets killed instead of his mother. It is heroic act of the same bloodlife and most of the time done without second thought.

The bottom line, there is a child abuse law and that law doesn’t define that if the minors are with bigger built and with strong muscles they are not considered minors anymore and can be abused. There is no such exception in the law. And the truth is even the word “abuse” is also “heavily abused” by some culprits in their favor. I am not talking of Dela Paz in this specific remarks but just in general.

The law is not perfect unfortunately, even for child related law. For example, supposed a bit drunk delinquent teenager (an upbringing problem) initiated a fight against an older guy. Despite of the older guy tried to avoid it, that teenager insist to fight and to make things even worst he took a knife and stabbed the older guy and unfortunately got killed.

The case then of that delinquent teenager will go to DSWD and the decision can be fabricated that its the older guy’s fault (he can’t defend himself anyway, he’s dead!) and it is just a mere self-defense for the teenager.

Now lets change the story a little bit that the moment the teenager stabs the older guy, the latter caught the teenager’s hand and tried to disarm the former but the teenager is persistent not to release the knife but unfortunately, the knife went into the teenager’s body. The teenager did not die and just went to the hospital, thats fortunate!

But here comes the law again! The family of the teenager filed a case of “Child Abuse” (per child abuse law) against the older guy. The older man despite of self-defense is now violated and punish by the law…

That is one side of the coin, lets flip it to the other side of the coin…

Now a very simple story…

An older man is sitting almost in the middle of the road then one minor is running very fast and unfortunately hits the older man and both of them fell. The older man got angry, he castigated the minor that he should look carefully so he do not hit anybody! You’ve hurt me!

Now lets reverse the characters situation and the minor was the one sitting almost in the middle of the road and the older man is running quite fast and unfortunately hits the minor and both of them fell. The older man got angry, he castigated the minor that he should not sit in the middle of the road. See what happened, you’ve hurt me!

Oh my, that is why I did not aspire to become a lawyer, my reasoning contradicts my own reasoning for searching what is really right. I will never become a good one based on the definition of being a good lawyer…
si ako

sabi dati, “makakahanap rin ng katapat yang mga Pangandaman na yan.”

ang sabi ngayon, “naku, mukhang nakahanap ng katapat yang mga Dela Paz na yan ah!”

ang hirap sa karamihan sating mga Pilipino, napapa-amo agad dahil sa simpatya; naniniwala agad sa ma-aksyong kwento. yan siguro ang napapala natin sa kakapanood ng wowowee at kakasubaybay sa mga telenovela.

suriin munang mabuti ang tipo at pag-uugali ng bawat (di-umano’y) nasasakdal, lalu na ang (di-umano’y) nabiktima. magbasa at magsaliksik nang mabuti. maging mas objective at wag padadala sa mga haka-haka at maramdaming emosyon ng iba.

at pakiusap lang, wag idamay ang mga kapatid nating Muslim. ang Islam ay pag-ibig, tulad rin ng Kristyanismo.

manalig sa katotohanan, dahil naririto ang katarungan.

Inshallah…
jason Abalos

Polis na Pogi

You are very right sir. The Pangilinan law needs a lot of fixing and it should be emended immidiately. I still see many kids as young as 3 years old working in many areas of the Philippines. Kids should be in school period and cannot be roaming around the street much less doing something that their parents should be doing instead of them and that is making money for a living. Philippines should give the responsibility back to each local government from the Baranggay level all the way to the governor. Only in the Philippines where a law maker makes law without any alternative. Gawa lang ng gawa ng batas but they break the very same law that they themselves had enacted.
chuck

Looks like valley golf has already unloaded some penalties on both parties.

You may want to think of it as a solomonic solution. There are certainly lessons to be learned here….
julyo

All I can say to the Dela Pazs’ is….. AND NOW THE KARMA BEGINS…… THE END!
http://aboutmyrecovery.com Noemi

That is just the internal report. The criminal aspect is different. So let’s wait and see.
cvista

I believe in the facts shared to us by pulis na pogi and we should not be too hard about our government polticians, their just human and wag natin lalahatin. Well in fact Pangandamans are low profile they are not well-known until this incident. If you’ll go on your ideals, of course you will side on the dela paz na parang nag pa dehado kunwari sa press and spreading false information, dali gumawa niyan.

Pero sa tutoong buhay, hindi ka papatulan at papansinin ng mga poltiko at matataas na tao kung hindi naman sila na provoke. By nature, politicians or any high profile persons do not want to be known in public when they go out of their territory, they are also entitled to their private life. They have also a strong sense of PR, kaya nga nanalo ng Mayor, hindi basta basta makikipag away mga yan sa public. My advise, Dela Paz should take it easy, these things happen in a golf course, we know magagaling pumalo si Bino and Bambee, pero give consideration sa mga mahihina mag laro, kaya siguro nauna at naipon ang init ng ulo sa kabagalan ng laro ng mga Pangandaman. Hindi naman sila papatulan ng mga Pangandaman kung hindi sila ang nagsimula.
cvista

I have said again, lets not decide based on our ideals that polticians are always the culprits, they may be corrupt but not violent. Too petty and insignificant for the likes of Pangandamans to make the first move. There’s no way to become offensive when your golf flight is ahead of that of dela paz. I may do the same if I got poke by an umbrella, its just normal to react defensively and not blame his companions or bodyguards to respond to what they are being paid for.

What happend sa mga tama at ga tuldok na dugo sa mga dela paz are just nothing. It could be worse kung sa dami ba naman ng kasama nila Pangandaman, e di dapat mga lumpo at basag basag ang mga mukha ng mga dela Paza at meron pang oras hanapin si Atty fortun, dapat doktor kaagad ang punta, so I presume that the Pangandamans acted in self-defense. Dela Paz should take it easy in the golf course, hindi lahat ng naglalaro kasing galing nila. They have no idea kung sino ang binabanga nila, simple overtake lang ng golf cart at sa kabagalan ng laro ng Pangandaman, naipon na ang init ng ulo. I would say kung nakilala lang ni Dela Paz na mga Pangandamans mga yan, hindi siya ganyan katapang. Hindi rin sila papatulan ng mga Pangandamans kung hindi sila ang nagsimula.
Rick

Based on the recent report from the Golf Club, if it is true that Old Dela Paz instigated the fight then he can also be blamed for whatever outcome of that commotion (no exception). I can’t deny that I am surprised for this kind of bully attitude from an old man. An older man should be more patient and should make even more sound decision.

I wonder what was playing on old Dela Paz mind that time he instigated the fight. Probably Dela Paz thought that he is so wealthy and deserves to be respected? And bullying = gaining respect?

I believe that people don’t need to be wealthy to enjoy respect. But you can also be wealthy and respected at the same time. For example the Sy family that owns SM, I never heard that any of those Sy family get involve into any disorderly behaviour but they are very well respected, I can surely say,it is the result of the family upbringing. I don’t know if Dela Paz wealth have already reached 1/10 of Sy’s wealth but Dela Paz wealth seem already over and above his head that made him so proud and forgot the basics of human relations and the use of proper channel. I don’t want to think that old Dela Paz had already reached the height of mentality that being rich is invulnerable and fearful.

If its true that he instigated the fight then he should regret his action and think of changing his attitude going forward even he is already an old man otherwise his next generation might inherited his bad behaviour by make believe he did what is right. If he is an honest person even at least for himself, he should realize now (even seem quite too late for his age) that bullying is not a good approach even if he considered himself an elite. Else if he remains with the same attitude, his being elite might become “delite” (oops sorry wrong spelling ” “) when meeting his match.

If old delapaz thought he can afford to bully anybody in hope to create fear to the other party then the respect he is looking for shall soon diminish and most probably can even create hatred against him.

Despite that golf club report is internal and not the final probe of NBI, it has its own weight and still can be used as a hard evidence against old Dela Paz of what really happened due to several witnesses within that club, unless, Old Dela Paz have its own sets of witnesses that can discredit it.

I also believe that respect must be given to anybody regardless of his/her status but to enjoy its continuity, it should be earned and not automatic.
Jasper

There is a new comment on the post “Mayor Nasser Pangandaman Jr. (DAR chief’s son) Mauled A Father & Son at Valley Golf and Country Club”.
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Author: Rick
Comment:
Jasper,

As you mentioned :

“p.s. by the way? why the heck are you so far away from your people mayor?shouldnt you be more spending more time in your constituent rather than playing golf?dont tell me you’re on your break..that would be lame..soooo lame.”

Even though you help educate Jason as he mentioned in his post with your excellent analysis and I believe with Jason’s remarks about learning from you, please let me share a little bit on the way I look at it and trying to be fair enough.

Everybody needs a little break from their routine work… Regardless of their social or political status…Even the President of U.S. is not an exception and must take some time-off for their personal pleasure at the right moment… Executives, Construction Workers… who else? Everybody….Else humans might end up with nervous breakdown and even worse can make their job performance poorer without “rest and recreation”,

Rest and Recreation should however not be spoiled by a fight, else it is not fun anymore.

I am not defending Pangandaman specifically but I am defending our human race in general of which deserves R&R regardless of status… It is how are you “going to spend” or “afterwards spent it” that really makes the difference.
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In tangent, I implore objectivity.

Let’s be brutally frank here, the mayor’s town isnt exactly a thriving first class municipality. And that’s what i don’t like about Philippine politics, like you are running a company that is not doing well, should the manager or in-charge ponder upon a miraculous bail out plan out on a beach somewhere in Boracay?Or perhaps a round of golf?

You mentioned US presidents? Heck , they will go on vacation and breaks/why? because they can afford to! America isnt exactly a gloomy war-torn impoverish southern muslim town in the Philippines is it?

If you were a meek agricultural constituent in such a town, with stomach hollow in content, and you go seek out the help of the in charge for a certain concern…and the answer you get after all that hassle coming don to the flat land from the mountains..is that your mayor is out up north playing in some posh golf club and beating people up and dodging the media…

the same feeling would likened to a customer services call ‘ tahnk you for yopu call,due to high volume of calls, the town mayor is busy right now but if you just hold the line ;he’ll get back you shortly, ..’

that’s one reason I hate Philippine politicians..this is no time for relaxation!!! the ship is not in good shape! people jumping off(the OFWs) should be a no brainer!

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Jasper

What else do we still have to satisfy? Criminal aspect my cheeky moonshine! No wonder lawyers never lose..

The old man started it and in the scuffle the boy got tossed. Which reminds me of that advert once ages ago..”sa mata ng bata..ang mali nagiging tama”..what are we teaching the kids nowadays..’if we cant have it our way, get ready to rumble?’

Don’t be bitter and hold gruge(bad fung shui..hehe, my chinese is less to be desired), that’s just how it is. That’s life..and there will be more dissapointments and painful experiences(hopefully lesser than mine).

The media(which conventionally favours any politician’s side) is starting to loss interset in the case.

Poor 14 year old he was already beaten once and now he’ll be used as a sling shot to favourably tilt the scales their way.

Let it go..and move on.
Erap

kung di pa kami tapos maglaro ng basketball(per hour ang renta sa court-fibreglass at painted glossy woodtiles), at ang susunod na nakareserve is bullying the team captain to move over and scamper…hehe. I hope it would not be the 56 yr old dela paz poking things at us …’cause …wew…it will not be good for his health, i tell you.

baka sa kangkongan tayo mag press conference.. at mag lie detector!

hehe

there was this line my older brother used to say in our neighbourhood playground whenever a bully flexes his muscles over us midgets…kuya andoy would come around and say …’ why don’t you pick someone your size?!’ hehehe..i love my brother he settles things on the ground..hehe
Rick

Jasper,

Sorry but your comment is kind of stranged and unconsiderable. That was 26 of December and its declared national special holiday season. Municipalities regardlesss of its class were close all over the Philippines. Even the offices of the private companies which are not doing well or at big operating loss were closed. It is also not a sudden “closed” but declared ahead of the period so people regardless of location should know that their municipalities are close. If you want to blame the scheduled declared holidays, it should not be the local government but GMA.

Should the people need assistance regarding peace and orders? The police were instructed to be on-call duty. Though they should be also on vacation but they can’t as they are in-charge in peace and order and it is completely understandable. They can however take their allocated vacation in some other time. Its not only a practice in the Philippines but again all over the world.

About war? the soldiers in Mindanao are still there, why? I’m sure you have the answer and whoever sits there as a Mayor, even he works 24 hours a day, 365 days a year or 366 (if there is a leap year) can’t solve it unless the Muslim renegades would sincerely stops the fight or they are totally eliminated.

If the people whichever place needs assistance from the municipality offices, they should come at the scheduled working hours. It works not only in the Philippines but all over the world. Even the best machines are subject to breadown much earlier if used without rest or maintenance, what more the people?

I am not defending Pangandamans, but all people regardless of their positions whether in the government or in private sectors should be entitled for a vacation regardless of their performance. If the voted government officials are doing bad, then the only solution is do not vote them again on the next election and if they are really doing bad like criminals then someone should initiate a court case to prove it and kick them out in their post if its really true (but do not expect much from the court due to the probability of solving it on time is very remote. Most of the time the term is almost or already finish but the case remains pending) or if people power works then do it. Same with the Executives and officers of the company, if their performance is bad, somebody above them should kick them out. No one is indispensable!

However, I agree with you that the Philippine politics are rotten to its core. That is why the situation never improve but in fact getting worst because majority if not all wants to ensure their pockets first. That is why they spend too much to win the election because they know that if they won, they can get more than 10 folds of their cash outlay and public service is just secondary for them.
konsehal ako

Putang ina mong mayor ka!!!!!!!! ako subukan mong makaharap may paglalagyan ka sa aken makikita mo.
http://aboutmyrecovery.com Noemi

are you serious with that challenge? or is that your anger just talking?
C. Vista

Jasper, you are getting overboard about the topic. We’re getting far already. His professional life is somewhat different from his personal or private life which the Pangadamans are entitled to enjoy as Rick has mentioned. But to make way for you in this discussion, Rick mentioned its Dec. 26th, Pangandamans are enjoying a dayoff at a golf course, nothing wrong about it. Its Biblical to rest, even God rested on the 7th day when he created our world. Rest is a gift from God, you wouldn’t perform very well in your duties if you are not well rested. Enjoying life is part of resting, thus, Pangandamans spent resting at the Golf Course, however, evil spirit intervened. Peace to you….
C. Vista

Jasper, you are getting overboard about the topic but to give way for you on this discussion, Pangandamans’ professional and personal life shouldn’t be mixed up in judging the incident at the Valley Golf. Rick has mentioned is Dec. 26, therefore, it’s vacation time. Pangandamans are entitled to enjoy their personal and private life at a gold course despite or regardless of the situation at their home town.. Its human and Biblical to rest, not only the President of the most powerful nation can rest but even God himself rested on the 7th day when he created our world. Rest is a gift from God that we deserved so that we can be energized to perform our duties very well. Enjoying life is part of resting, therefore, the Pangandamans are enjoying playing at Valley Golf, however, evil spirits intervened in a form of a dela paz. Peace to you…..
C. Vista

Konsehal ako, you are unbecoming of a counselor. Your language doesn’t speak of a public servant, or not really just using the name of “Konsehal ako.” Peace….
Rick

Noemi,

Probably “konsehal ako” is really tough…

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konsehal ako,

I’m sure you know where to find the Pangandamans, just go there and show them how really tough you are in action and not just by talking…

We will wait for the next headlines whether Pangandamans meets their match or there will be just another DelaPaz or even worst kind of story.

But if you go to their territory, there is a possibility of missing in action and won’t hear any further news regarding you. Your toughness will be wasted for there will be no news about your great encounter with Pangandamans.

So I suggest you publish your full name and address then ask them to hunt you instead…so atleast there will be another headline news afterwards…Goodluck!
jason Abalos

cvista,

AMEN pare…..That is exactly my point from the beginning, the very first time I made my post. Kung talagang one sided ang gulpihan na nang yari, di hindi na sana naka pag salita much less sa media pa. I still believed na simpleng suntukan lang ang nang yari. Just my analysis, I could be wrong.
C. Vista

Counselor, that is a serious one, its unbecoming of a public servant. Pangandamans are not like that, they wont make patol to you, beside, your reporting officer is the Mayor, thereferore you should respect Mayor Pangandaman, para mo na rin binastos lahat ng mga Mayor, tao din mga yan. Or just using name “Konsehal ako?” Gumamit ka na lang ng name na “Senador ako” para naman meron impact. Wag mo lagay sa utak mo yang pag pa Konsehal mo. Paglilinis ng banketa at kanal ang asikasuhin mo muna dyan sa distrito mo, check mo rin kung na pickup na yung mga basurahan ng mga residente dyan sa inyo para mawala ang mga langaw at lamok at para hindi ikalat ng mga pusa at aso, yan ang utos ni Mayor sa iyo…..
jason Abalos

HAHAHAHA pagod lang yang konsehal, itulog mo na lang muna then you can join us for a very intelligent discussion when you get your most desrving rest. wink**
jason Abalos

Let me just iriterate my comment about getting educated by jasper on my previous post. Not everything that he wrote, I agree with. Ayways, the way he respond to our discussion and the feeling or demeanor of the writer that makes me learn something if not everything. I am not presently in the Philippines but i am more focus on what was going on in the Philippines rather than my presently adopted country.

I am also learning from blogers like PNP, Lee, Naomi, and of course to you Rick because you guys approached the topic in a very intelligent manner. Kaya magulo ang Pilipinas kasi walang gustong mag patalo, alot of people seems to know everything when its not. Here, we share different opinions and its more constructive and we should all learn from that. Kaya ang gulo ng ating gobyerno kasi ang daming opposition. They always oppose but they don’t have alternatives and that is very distructive.
chuck

its really no surprise that after the valley golf committe report came out that we now see an avalanche of new bloggers on the side of the pangandamans.

looks like the sanitation crew is now at work…..
C. Vista

Jason Abalos that is true, Atty Fortun should not have come into the picture, ang babaw, siyempre its business as usual to the Law office and they will sensationalize it para naman ma market ang Fortun-Narvasa Law Office. The old dela paz should have set an example to his children na yung mga ganyan eh nangyayari talaga sa Golf Course pabayaan lang and concentrate in your game. Like the flight ahead of us na laging nag celphone which delaying our game, bawal yun sa golf course, simpleng senyasan lang ng mga caddies ang communication, OK na, hindi umbrella… at happy pa after over a bottle of beers or brandy hindi sa station ng police para mag file ng case hehehe. Eh di dapat ayos sana ang New Year ni Dela Paz, sige gusto niya mag pasikat na maraming pera ayan….BTW, is he related to the Euro General? Just asking nothing else and no issue abt it…
C. Vista

Why now quiet on the penguin side? Becoz Batman came in, the defender of truth? Speak up all penguins, now you heard the truth, kinawawa niyo sobra ang mga Pangandamans. Valley Golf directors are not stupid to expel Dela Paz, period. Pangandaman should be reconsidered on his 2 yr suspension.
Killerlook

kahit ilang beses natin pagtaluhan ang lahat ng mga pangyayari between the Pangandaman at sa Dela Paz the conclusion is:

Ano ang nagprovoke kay Delfin Dela Paz para iconfront ans Pangandaman?
Ano ang reaction ng Pangandaman nung kinausap siya ni Delfin?
Bakit hinampas ni Delfin ng payong si mayor Pangandaman?
Assuming na tumulong and kapatid ni Nasser Jr. na si Hussein nung makita niya na hinampas ng payong ang kapatid niya. Tama ba na pagtulungan ang isang 56 years old na tao?
Yung participation ba ni Bino at Bambee sa incident ay nangyari after pagtulungan yung tatay nila?
Bakit naulit pa ang pangyayari doon sa may clubhouse?
Ano ang nagprovoke sa magkabilang panig para mag suntukan ulit?
Saan eksena pumasok si Secretary Pangandaman to stop the fight?

These are some of the questions that I just constructed from my mind… there is always a reason after all the actions na ginagawa ng isang tao… for my conclusion;

There is no proper communication from the both parties kaya nag umpisa ang gulo… and I know its always the EGO that keep us from trouble I just hope that this time they learned something from it… always be HUMBLE kahit ano pa man ang estado mo sa buhay… I guess the Dela Paz is somehow well stable ang pamumuhay nila sila yung kasama sa above average na tao sa pilipinas while the Pangandaman is a rich family and politically famous not only in their respective place and also very close to the president… Sino ang llamado o dehado? I guess kung sino ang nagsasabi ng totoo…to hit the main point…both parties suffered from this incident on the Dela Paz side they will not allow to play GolF anymore sa VGCC plus the trauma from his Family… from the Pangandaman side it just show in the public how their family handle a situation like that considering that they are public officials. I was wondering how would Pangandaman Sr. will handle a more complicated task if as simple argument like this eh hinayaan niya na lumaki. much more pa siguro sa DAR (kawawa naman mga farmers natin). There will always be a two side of the story who’s telling the truth? No one knows… The court will decide kung sino ang dapat parusahan but one thing i am 100 % sure that there is a Child Abuse involve here. let’s keep each other posted nalang…
Next time Mr. Delfin learn how to control your temper… at sa mga Pangandaman naman… learn how to be HUMBLE and patience sa mga tao katulad ni Mr. Delfin…
chuck

killerlook,

good point, thanks for sharing.

just thinking out aloud, wala bang security cam dun sa hole at sa club house?

naomi, any comment?
chuck

c. vista,

i was about to give you the benefit of the doubt, but now am starting to wonder if you are one the sanitizers of the pangandamans.

what gives? people are here for mature discussion. why turn heckler?
http://aboutmyrecovery.com Noemi

I appreciate all your comments really. Your comments are now part of the blog entry.

Incidentally, you will hear more from me when I guest in ANC’s Media in Focus hosted by Che che lazaro on Thursday, January 15 6 to 7 pm. The topic is “de la paz and blogging”. Other guests are Carlo conde, atty disini and someone from Ang Kapatiran.
http://aboutmyrecovery.com Noemi

would you know which blog entries are these. It would be interesting to read more on them.
http://aboutmyrecovery.com Noemi

there is still the criminal suit. Let’s not forget that the report also show

1. that the kid was mauled.

2. DAR chief was held liable for the actions of his sons.

All others are irrelevant to me. Sure, they got provoked but why use excessive force? It should have stopped at the golf course.
http://aboutmyrecovery.com Noemi

that’s what you call managing their online reputation.
Rick

Thanks for your remarks Jason,

I presumed that we are all openminded here, Our “opinion” is just an opinion and not the fact. I still hope that the truth is yet to come.

You are right that kaya magulo ang Pilipinas kasi walang gustong magpatalo mapapulitika or kahit sa simpleng discussion lang. The truth is no one knows exactly what happened except the accused, the victims and the witnesses.

At this moment, we are just wondering what exactly happened based on the third hand information. For every development, we create hypotheses and reasoning behind it but should never be the conclusive.

Court cases are still pending and until the final decision is released and acceptable to both parties, whether its just half truth or the whole truth, the story ends and I guess we can learn some lessons in their event.
chuck

noemi,

bravo! good to hear that, just means that your efforts at moderating this blog has not gone to waste.

sayang, destiny does not carry anc but will try ti find a way to catch it.

best regards.
chuck

noemi,

yes, there is still the legal battle.

am sure people will be keenly observing the proceedings for a variety of reasons.

undoubtedly, this blog has helped create an indication of public sentiment, whether or not it is founded on fact or emotion….likewise, we have seen how hard people have tried to confuse issues for reasons that some of us have tried to guess…well, i guess these people have their own reasons or motivation for doing so.

keep up the good work.
Jasper

Yeah I know, sorry about that, I was getting bored. The topic became like a bitter exhaust of impulse reaction though ironic in the sense that when the internal investigation came out that the elder Dela Paz instigated the event..things are now academic..and moot.

This link is similar to what happened in Valley GC. In the same breathe, if this indeed happened anyway near a posh club, this will definitely gain media momentum. Wouldn’t you agree?hehe

http://www.pinoychannel.tv/watch/v-107239

Dec.26 – the boxing day(bank holiday in UK and Canada), and they indeed celebrated the spirit..literally..hehe

Dec 26- the day after Christmas..yes but the problem is..Muslims don’t celebrate Christmas. I don’t about some Christians but I don’t normally celebrate Ramadan or Id…or do you guys?
Jasper

hehe..That’s ok bud, I was just bored stiff.

This is one of those times when being a workaholic boomerangs at you. I can’t help it, ’cause when I work I expect the others alongside me also works as hard as I am. Just one of the reasonsss I left the country. Now don’t go off on that one either I wasn’t voted to run a company or a town(at a very tender age,mind you..hehe) I worked my arse off. One day holiday is one too many(official holiday pays bigger rate). But hey that’s just me, being born poor and yet managed to glide through this credit crunch like I knew it was coming 20 years ago.

Back on track, hehe..I must assume one is not from a Muslim town in Mindanao nor have a good working understanding of how the such pyramidal leadership works in Mindanao. Sometimes or often there are matters where the police is of little use in the town’s feudalistic culture. The leader of the clan is always sought almost always to tip the balance. Such a strong point of disagreement with Christian laws(among others) hence the AFP’s body bags keep coming. So, in such a set up a national electoral candidate could possibly get ZERO vote in certain town(s). ..’cause everybody follows what the main MAN says.

And Jason, please my dear, get your education somewhere for I hold no responsibility over your need-to-learn things in life. To each his own..well, at least in the journey towards personal enlightenment. But thanks anyway, it doesnt hurt to be tickled pink sometimes…in flattery i.e.
Jasper

hehe..konsehal vs mayor..

I believe you reacted in harsh prematurity. Such off the rails behaviour led those poeple in this mess. Count 1 to 10…one , two..go on..hehe.

I hope my taxes ain’t funding your bodyguards(well you must have some otherwise why the high instigating voice, di ba?). I’d rather my tax goes to public services and social work if you don’t mind..hehe.
chuck

jasper,

you would probably have to right to retaliate if you are threatened…..its all about self-preservation.

what got people all riled up was the excessive response from the other side.

was it therefore a case of “excessive defense?” he he
C. Vista

That is now the problem with the Law. In a free for all or rumble, nobody would dare to ask the ages of all the participants before they hit each other. Also, Sec P. and old Dela Paz should also show their Sr, Citizens ID, para hindi makasama sa bakbakan, baka meron discount pa!!!!

My golly, just a simple quarrel and they called the expensive Atty. Fortun to exagerate or aggravate everything. Ego, the dela paz wants to break the barrier of anonymity that they are untouchable and rich, lumang tugtugin nayan. Isn’t it enough they have the Euro Gen already? Its money to newly rich that makes the head go round ( if they are new). To old rich, peace counts a lot than money.

Moreover, VGCC board members are not stupid to expell the old Dela Paz. Suspension to Sec.? Is just a consolation but shouldn’t be becoz his only fault is just being a father to the 2.
C. Vista

Chuck I apologize if you are offended but I am not a heckler, OK? And never met the Pangandamans in my life. I am entitled to my observation and opinion. This is a blog so you must expect something like this, thus, not saying bad languages here, so stop calling me a heckler.

My advise to you Chuck, let Noemi do her job. Just concentrate on the topic not to wonder on me or concentrate so much on the personalities of the bloggers, be strong and be matured so you dont’ easily get affected. Blogs are not for weak people. This is where you get ideas and opinions its up to you to consolidate and filter it. This ends with you……
C. Vista

No problem pare, peace to you……
chuck

c. vista,

away mayaman yan……otherwise you wouldnt see all these expensive lawyers and pr agencies at work.

imagine if ang naglalaban ay ordinaryong tao, i doubt it if anyone would really notice.

re your statement about the unfairness of suspending secretary pangandaman, i think he got off quite lightly pa nga….remember, he brought his children there and without the 2, wala sanang nangyari….also, bilang ama and a ranking cabinet official at that, he should have stepped in and exercised due diligence….his silence could have been interpreted as either condonation of the act, or just plain indifference.
chuck

c. vista,

my apologies too if you were offended.

at this point, so much has already been said about the incident that i really believe that we should now move on and focus on its lessons and how it affects us.

noemi has done a great job in moderating this blog under the circumstances…minsan sya pa ang pinapalabas na masama at pinapanigan…she should instead be appreciated.

now as for you, ok time to bury the hatchet and lets engage in constructive discussion…enough of the drivel as i assume you are just as willing to learn from this thru constructive exchange.

i’ve already gone beyond personality issues and i invite you to do the same.

cheers!
jasper

I wouldn’t dare and try to exagerate..but try touching my hair…haha.

Sad to say, all these are forgetable. The dela Paz’s, the mayor, us and we…wounded pride will not heal.

And as long as people on his camp feels it, it will haunt them and if left unquenched..it will consume them.

And on the other hand..the Pangandaman– life goes on like usual.

And we we’ll have a new president, my best friend will be a new dad..and Manny Pacquiao will be coming home with a victory yet again from Las Vegas…and there’ll be little sign of this event..if at all memorable i.e..save for Atty.Fortun’s lawyering fees. And that surely will leave a dent! ouch!
jasper

excessive force?

hehehe.. i think they have a seperate flowchart broadly outlining the rules of engagement in the Valley GC..hehe..you wouldnt miss it..near side right hallway..hehe

where these goons come from in mindanao, an 10 yr old is old enough to join the lucrative trade of banditry.. plus added garrand-ty of early retirement..hehe.

a threat is a threat…one can not even joke about explosive whilst boarding a plane…when you’re even a passenger of the flight!!hhehe.. excessive? embarrasing maybe for a senator to have his shoes toaken off in public..hehe

right,ok..trigger happy or not… i say you don’t tease a lion with fresh meat and expect for the beast to marinate it first overnight(probably to consult Mom about recipe..hehe).

a decisive action was made on that particular scenario..like when you saw and heard of the politician beating the crap out of the youtube guy–the thought was..abusado!!..or other more intense adjective to that effect..hehe..

probably on the assumption that people in the place have some decent capacity to do damage..the reaction was such..like in my first flat..evebody is carrying..

or probably training and conditioning, you dotn survive mindanao(or even philippine politics) that easily. not only you are disliked by everyone..there are actually people out to get you..and i dont mean it in a paranoid schizo way..hehe..

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i really hope the elder dela paz will be sent to anger management councilling..there’s a neat and tidy joint up in up state new york( that’s what the cop suggested to my kuya once…hehe).

take heed .. for there is no measure for retaliation(esp in our culture). “kasi pag inunahan ka-gantihan mo…at lintik lang ang walang ganti!..” as the pinoy phrase goes..